From gorgonc3 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 04:11:09 2006 From: gorgonc3 at hotmail.com (Mark McAtee) Date: Fri Jun 30 20:11:16 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation Message-ID: Just thought I'd send a photo of the Chief (not bad for 10,000). After the recent oil pressure thread.... what would one expect to see cold with X/C oil? >From: "Ryan Lunde" >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >To: aeronca@westmont.edu >Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:44:13 -0600 > >Hey ya'll, > I recently moved from Laramie to the great big ol' city of Denver, >Colorado to take a new job. Looks like I'll be getting the Champ for a >while. Dad's flying it up as we speak. Found a nice airport to keep it at, >Platte Valley, 15 miles north of Denver International. It's a great little >country airport with turf and pavement. Any other Aeronca drivers in the >area? I know Mark up in Casper and I understand ya'll are bringing the >Cheif back from Lander this weekend. I need to get up and see you, Chris, >and the airplane. The fella who runs Platte Valley aparently has a nice >L-16 that a friend of mine is doing some training in. Just though I'd give >and update. >-Ryan in Denver (who's heart is split between Wyoming and Texas) > > >_______________________________________________ >Aeronca mailing list >Aeronca@westmont.edu >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: aeronca 008.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 31775 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/ee1464d2/aeronca008.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: aeronca 011.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 28344 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/ee1464d2/aeronca011.jpg From fstead at mac.com Sat Jul 1 01:43:15 2006 From: fstead at mac.com (Fred Steadman) Date: Fri Jun 30 22:43:21 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ###I screwed up, big time!#### In-Reply-To: <000a01c69a09$231dda60$5602a8c0@ZAM104> References: <008601c699fe$9cf199e0$2f01a8c0@Laptop> <000a01c69a09$231dda60$5602a8c0@ZAM104> Message-ID: <94bd0f1680ae6942f17184ab488da898@mac.com> All one really needs to send is the item number. An interested person can sign on to eBay, search on the item number, and come up with the listing. On Jun 27, 2006, at 11:45 AM, roger anderson wrote: > I'm not even sure that having a link sent is safe. That's some of the > bogus stuff that I've received. It will be a link. Thinking it is > legit, I click on it. It opens a excellent repro of an Ebay > screen...but one difference. It then, in Ebay format, requires your > Ebay name and password to proceed further. At that point I realize it > is a scam. In haste, a person could go for it. roger > > --- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Dugger" <66lima@verizon.net> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [f-AA] ###I screwed up, big time!#### > > >> >> Just emailing the link to the Ebay item might be a better idea. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > Fred Steadman Irving, Texas 972 252 2216 214 762 6376 fstead@mac.com From poobahster at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 03:18:41 2006 From: poobahster at gmail.com (John Rodkey) Date: Sat Jul 1 02:18:45 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33837b380607010218l76ae5fdeo7bb2dcd10a438caa@mail.gmail.com> Watch the density altitude and strong downdrafts when the wind is strrong! On 6/30/06, Ryan Lunde wrote: > > Hey ya'll, > I recently moved from Laramie to the great big ol' city of Denver, > Colorado to take a new job. Looks like I'll be getting the Champ for a > while. Dad's flying it up as we speak. Found a nice airport to keep it at, > Platte Valley, 15 miles north of Denver International. It's a great little > country airport with turf and pavement. Any other Aeronca drivers in the > area? I know Mark up in Casper and I understand ya'll are bringing the > Cheif > back from Lander this weekend. I need to get up and see you, Chris, and > the > airplane. The fella who runs Platte Valley aparently has a nice L-16 > that a > friend of mine is doing some training in. Just though I'd give and update. > -Ryan in Denver (who's heart is split between Wyoming and Texas) > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > -- John (poobah) Rodkey - N9361E 11AC at Goleta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/c412cbf5/attachment.htm From SPENCEM at tc.gc.ca Sat Jul 1 08:01:45 2006 From: SPENCEM at tc.gc.ca (Spence, Mike) Date: Sat Jul 1 04:23:38 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Syllabus? References: Message-ID: <6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A01B1@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> Steve: What syllabus was that, that you didn't see taxi practice? I have done the "slow groundloops" with them after landing on the grass runway here, when turning around at the end of the landing roll to backtrack each time for another departure. Mike S. ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Stephen briggs Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 7:40 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: Re: [f-AA] Syllabus? One thing I didn't see in the tailwheel syllabus was taxi practice. I find it very helpful to spend a lesson having the student taxi at different speeds in different wind orientations sometime early in the training. Even have them do a "slow" unintentional ground loop. (i.e. with plenty on room on the ramp - not near other aircraft or objects) Have the student make a turn a bit too fast and experience the tail wheel breaking free and doing a 180 degree spin. This gives them a clear understanding of why they must anticipate what forces are at work during a roll out and why it is so important to stay ahead of the aircraft. Steve _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4181 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/4442b852/attachment.bin From SPENCEM at tc.gc.ca Sat Jul 1 08:33:04 2006 From: SPENCEM at tc.gc.ca (Spence, Mike) Date: Sat Jul 1 04:33:52 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Syllabus? References: <6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A544F@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> <44A5BD86.7030600@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A01B3@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> Thanks for the tip Bill ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Bill French Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 8:10 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: Re: [f-AA] Syllabus? Hi, Mike, The book by the late Harvey S. Plourde - The Compleat Taildragger Pilot - is an excellent reference that lays out a detailed syllabus. Available from - http://www.pilotmall.com/page/1/PROD/17031 Well worth the investment for anyone's library from beginner to seasoned pro. Bill French Spence, Mike wrote: List: Do any you guys/gals on the list have, or know of someone that would have, a Tailwheel Training Syllabus? Tony, are you out there??? Mike S. Champion 7EC C-FKQV OF #49 ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A-728 - AERONCA INCORPORATED - SPECIFICATIONS PERTINENT TO ALL MODELS Revision 4 Specifications Pertinent to All Models 50-TC, 65-TC (Army L - 3J) YO-58 (Army L - 3) 60-TF, 65-TF, 50-TL 65-TL, 65-TAC (Army L - 3E) 65-TAF (Army L -3D), 65-TAL Specifications Pertinent to All Models Datum Wing leading edge Leveling means Cabin floor Control surface movements Models 50-TC, 65-TC, 60-TF, 65-TF, 50-TL, 65-TL: Elevators 25? up 25? down Elevator tab 15.5? up 18.5? down Ailerons 24.5? up 24.5? down Rudder 30? right 30? left Models 65-TAC, 65-TAF, 65-TAL: Elevators 18? up 24? down Elevator tab 28.5? up 16.5? down Right Aileron 29? up 15? down Left Aileron 26.5? up 17? down Rudder 29? right 32? left Certification basis Type Certificate No. 728 (CAR 4a) Since you are converting to a 675-TC then these are the specs UNLESS you are using a STC that says otherwise. Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Lamp To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: [f-AA] Aeronca 60-TF Cy, Darren here. I am just about done with converting the 65TL Defender with the a65-8 and was going to have a new weight and balance done. Are these numbers valid for my "non standard configuration" and should I show up at the scales with full fuel and oil on board? Thanks in advance! :Darren ----- Original Message ----- From: cgalley To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] Aeronca 60-TF There is a 50 TF and a 65TF but no 60 TF. CG range on the TCDS for the 65TF is C.G. range (+13.4) to (+20.7) Empty weight C.G. range (+9.6) to (+15.5). When empty weight C.G. falls within this range, computations of critical fore and aft C.G. positions are unnecessary. This range not valid for non-standard arrangements. Specifications Pertinent to All Models Datum - Wing leading edge Leveling means - Cabin floor Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Wilkins To: Aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: [f-AA] Aeronca 60-TF Hi Guys, I am working on an Aeronca 60-TF. I need to know the leveling location to complete my weight and balance. Thanks Gene -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/0bf0fc28/attachment.htm From cgalley at qcbc.org Sat Jul 1 07:56:50 2006 From: cgalley at qcbc.org (cgalley) Date: Sat Jul 1 04:56:54 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Aeronca 60-TF References: <20060630204715.49497.qmail@web52515.mail.yahoo.com><02e101c69c9f$c9e5c6d0$55abd60c@Cy> <01b501c69cba$4f2ae860$0202a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <002101c69d05$6fea9640$55abd60c@Cy> The weighing can be done either way BUT is it preferable to weigh without gas. There are figures for full oil as it is difficult to remove all the oil in an engine and if everything is working right, it isn't being consumed like fuel. Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Lamp To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: [f-AA] Aeronca 60-TF Cy, Darren here. I am just about done with converting the 65TL Defender with the a65-8 and was going to have a new weight and balance done. Are these numbers valid for my "non standard configuration" and should I show up at the scales with full fuel and oil on board? Thanks in advance! :Darren ----- Original Message ----- From: cgalley To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] Aeronca 60-TF There is a 50 TF and a 65TF but no 60 TF. CG range on the TCDS for the 65TF is C.G. range (+13.4) to (+20.7) Empty weight C.G. range (+9.6) to (+15.5). When empty weight C.G. falls within this range, computations of critical fore and aft C.G. positions are unnecessary. This range not valid for non-standard arrangements. Specifications Pertinent to All Models Datum - Wing leading edge Leveling means - Cabin floor Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Wilkins To: Aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: [f-AA] Aeronca 60-TF Hi Guys, I am working on an Aeronca 60-TF. I need to know the leveling location to complete my weight and balance. Thanks Gene -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/d1738d41/attachment.htm From Aeronca7AC at sympatico.ca Sat Jul 1 10:05:20 2006 From: Aeronca7AC at sympatico.ca (Robert McDonald) Date: Sat Jul 1 06:25:21 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Primer knowledge In-Reply-To: <20060701023029.D5B11BA503@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060701023029.D5B11BA503@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.1.20060701090156.02e2dc40@pop1.sympatico.ca> At 22:30 06/30/2006, Larry Waggoner wrote: >Hey all. I am going to give some info for those that might not know ... >You guys probably all knew this Larry, It's a good thing that these things are occasionally repeated. There are always new people on the list who will appreciate these tidbits... and a few of us who need occasional reminders :-) Rob McDonald, Owen Sound, Ontario 1946 Champ 7AC-3388 - CF-RWQ - xNC84677 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 06/30/2006 From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 1 07:46:47 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sat Jul 1 06:46:54 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Primer knowledge In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.1.20060701090156.02e2dc40@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060701134647.62704.qmail@web80724.mail.yahoo.com> Good point. Part of every preflight/before takeoff checklist is "primer locked". Got put in the weeds once by a front seat photographer who inadvertently dislodged the primer. Motor went very rich but fortunately did not die. Had to make an off airport emergency landing to diagnose and fix the problem. Was impossible to fix from the rear seat and the guy up front was not a pilot and was of no help. That's one reason I put the primer in the side panel on JYD. Wish I had a MS carb and could just leave the primer out of the system. PC Robert McDonald wrote: At 22:30 06/30/2006, Larry Waggoner wrote: >Hey all. I am going to give some info for those that might not know ... >You guys probably all knew this Larry, It's a good thing that these things are occasionally repeated. There are always new people on the list who will appreciate these tidbits... and a few of us who need occasional reminders :-) Rob McDonald, Owen Sound, Ontario 1946 Champ 7AC-3388 - CF-RWQ - xNC84677 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 06/30/2006 _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/58bcb3ea/attachment.htm From n85523 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 09:06:44 2006 From: n85523 at hotmail.com (Ryan Lunde) Date: Sat Jul 1 07:07:06 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What do you say we get some air-to-air shots of her some time?? -Ryan >From: "Mark McAtee" >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >To: aeronca@westmont.edu >Subject: RE: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation >Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 03:11:09 +0000 > >Just thought I'd send a photo of the Chief (not bad for 10,000). > >After the recent oil pressure thread.... what would one expect to see cold >with X/C oil? > > >>From: "Ryan Lunde" >>Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation >>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:44:13 -0600 >> >>Hey ya'll, >> I recently moved from Laramie to the great big ol' city of Denver, >>Colorado to take a new job. Looks like I'll be getting the Champ for a >>while. Dad's flying it up as we speak. Found a nice airport to keep it at, >>Platte Valley, 15 miles north of Denver International. It's a great little >>country airport with turf and pavement. Any other Aeronca drivers in the >>area? I know Mark up in Casper and I understand ya'll are bringing the >>Cheif back from Lander this weekend. I need to get up and see you, Chris, >>and the airplane. The fella who runs Platte Valley aparently has a nice >>L-16 that a friend of mine is doing some training in. Just though I'd >>give and update. >>-Ryan in Denver (who's heart is split between Wyoming and Texas) >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Aeronca mailing list >>Aeronca@westmont.edu >>http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > ><< aeronca008.JPG >> ><< aeronca011.JPG >> >_______________________________________________ >Aeronca mailing list >Aeronca@westmont.edu >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca From groundloop at myself.com Sat Jul 1 10:22:01 2006 From: groundloop at myself.com (chris haldeman) Date: Sat Jul 1 07:22:11 2006 Subject: [f-AA] please remove me from list I cannot keep up w/ post Message-ID: <20060701142201.2415C1CE30C@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/022750aa/attachment.htm From gorgonc3 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 15:26:06 2006 From: gorgonc3 at hotmail.com (Mark McAtee) Date: Sat Jul 1 07:26:13 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ###Rocky Mountain Relocation and story### In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That would be great!! . Reminds me a of the story of the guy that had just taken delivery of the new Pitts. He picked it up in Afton and was heading east. I was working the line in Laramie and new Pitts were a common sight since it was the first fuel stop for the east bound planes. Most of the time it was the factory ferry pilot or fairly experienced Pitts drivers who landed at Laramie. For those of you who are not familiar with LAR... 7300 feet elevation, wind. wind. wind. Anyway, the guy picked up his plane and headed for Laramie. Evidently a low time taildragger pilot, I watched him enter the pattern for 21, and proceed to dribble, bounce and waggle his way down almost 2 miles of runway before making contact with all three wheels. Taxiing in, I could see the grin stretching from ear to ear on the guys face. Shutting down (halfway between tie downs and tail into the wind) he flung his helmet off and yelled "Anybody got a camera? I want a picture of this sonof@#@@!# before I wreck it!!!!" Turns out, it was his third landing in a taildragger. The first two were his tailwheel checkout in a cub many years ago. by the way, the $10,000 figure was without the annual from 13 yrs of storage. Significantly added to the purchase price >From: "Ryan Lunde" >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >To: aeronca@westmont.edu >Subject: RE: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation >Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:06:44 -0600 > >What do you say we get some air-to-air shots of her some time?? >-Ryan > > >>From: "Mark McAtee" >>Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>Subject: RE: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation >>Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 03:11:09 +0000 >> >>Just thought I'd send a photo of the Chief (not bad for 10,000). >> >>After the recent oil pressure thread.... what would one expect to see cold >>with X/C oil? >> >> >>>From: "Ryan Lunde" >>>Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>>To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>>Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation >>>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:44:13 -0600 >>> >>>Hey ya'll, >>> I recently moved from Laramie to the great big ol' city of Denver, >>>Colorado to take a new job. Looks like I'll be getting the Champ for a >>>while. Dad's flying it up as we speak. Found a nice airport to keep it >>>at, Platte Valley, 15 miles north of Denver International. It's a great >>>little country airport with turf and pavement. Any other Aeronca drivers >>>in the area? I know Mark up in Casper and I understand ya'll are bringing >>>the Cheif back from Lander this weekend. I need to get up and see you, >>>Chris, and the airplane. The fella who runs Platte Valley aparently has a >>>nice L-16 that a friend of mine is doing some training in. Just though >>>I'd give and update. >>>-Ryan in Denver (who's heart is split between Wyoming and Texas) >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Aeronca mailing list >>>Aeronca@westmont.edu >>>http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca >> > > >><< aeronca008.JPG >> > > >><< aeronca011.JPG >> > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Aeronca mailing list >>Aeronca@westmont.edu >>http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > >_______________________________________________ >Aeronca mailing list >Aeronca@westmont.edu >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca From petegavin at mn.rr.com Sat Jul 1 10:58:47 2006 From: petegavin at mn.rr.com (Pete Gavin) Date: Sat Jul 1 07:59:05 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200607011459.k61Ex0fx024355@ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com> Nice looking Chief! It looks to be using some type of clear plastic on the upper cowling - any info on that? -MN Pete -----Original Message----- From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu] On Behalf Of Mark McAtee Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:11 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: RE: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation Just thought I'd send a photo of the Chief (not bad for 10,000). After the recent oil pressure thread.... what would one expect to see cold with X/C oil? >From: "Ryan Lunde" >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >To: aeronca@westmont.edu >Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:44:13 -0600 > >Hey ya'll, > I recently moved from Laramie to the great big ol' city of Denver, >Colorado to take a new job. Looks like I'll be getting the Champ for a >while. Dad's flying it up as we speak. Found a nice airport to keep it at, >Platte Valley, 15 miles north of Denver International. It's a great little >country airport with turf and pavement. Any other Aeronca drivers in the >area? I know Mark up in Casper and I understand ya'll are bringing the >Cheif back from Lander this weekend. I need to get up and see you, Chris, >and the airplane. The fella who runs Platte Valley aparently has a nice >L-16 that a friend of mine is doing some training in. Just though I'd give >and update. >-Ryan in Denver (who's heart is split between Wyoming and Texas) > > >_______________________________________________ >Aeronca mailing list >Aeronca@westmont.edu >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca From gorgonc3 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 16:05:22 2006 From: gorgonc3 at hotmail.com (Mark McAtee) Date: Sat Jul 1 08:05:29 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation In-Reply-To: <200607011459.k61Ex0fx024355@ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: Nope. Just had the upper cowling off for cleaning. Neat idea. Might be heavy. Melt too. I would like to go back to the original one piece upper rather that the hinged cowl. This one is made of .090 aluminum for the hinged part and heavy. >From: "Pete Gavin" >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >To: >Subject: RE: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation >Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:58:47 -0500 > >Nice looking Chief! It looks to be using some type of clear plastic on the >upper cowling - any info on that? >-MN Pete > >-----Original Message----- >From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu] On >Behalf Of Mark McAtee >Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:11 PM >To: aeronca@westmont.edu >Subject: RE: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation > >Just thought I'd send a photo of the Chief (not bad for 10,000). > >After the recent oil pressure thread.... what would one expect to see cold >with X/C oil? > > > >From: "Ryan Lunde" > >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu > >To: aeronca@westmont.edu > >Subject: [f-AA] Rocky Mountain Relocation > >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:44:13 -0600 > > > >Hey ya'll, > > I recently moved from Laramie to the great big ol' city of Denver, > >Colorado to take a new job. Looks like I'll be getting the Champ for a > >while. Dad's flying it up as we speak. Found a nice airport to keep it >at, > >Platte Valley, 15 miles north of Denver International. It's a great >little > >country airport with turf and pavement. Any other Aeronca drivers in the > >area? I know Mark up in Casper and I understand ya'll are bringing the > >Cheif back from Lander this weekend. I need to get up and see you, Chris, > >and the airplane. The fella who runs Platte Valley aparently has a nice > >L-16 that a friend of mine is doing some training in. Just though I'd >give > > >and update. > >-Ryan in Denver (who's heart is split between Wyoming and Texas) > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Aeronca mailing list > >Aeronca@westmont.edu > >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > >_______________________________________________ >Aeronca mailing list >Aeronca@westmont.edu >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca From poobahster at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 09:19:39 2006 From: poobahster at gmail.com (John Rodkey) Date: Sat Jul 1 08:19:54 2006 Subject: [f-AA] please remove me from list I cannot keep up w/ post In-Reply-To: <20060701142201.2415C1CE30C@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060701142201.2415C1CE30C@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <33837b380607010819i329187aax145260e91b79026e@mail.gmail.com> done On 7/1/06, chris haldeman wrote: > > > > -- > > ___________________________________________________ > Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > -- John (poobah) Rodkey - N9361E 11AC at Goleta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One section A lessons plans another section B on Theory Section C Poems "Reflection Of Flight" mikek Mike Knemeyer 7AC-2015 NC83348 3oh0 Yellow Springs,Ohio Phone: W 937-222-6444 Fax: W 937-222-6448 Cell: W 937-684-5998 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/7d1f3836/attachment.htm From mknemeyer at erinet.com Sat Jul 1 14:31:06 2006 From: mknemeyer at erinet.com (Mike Knemeyer) Date: Sat Jul 1 10:31:09 2006 Subject: [f-AA] please remove me from list I cannot keep up w/ post Message-ID: <200607011731.k61HV6kF044333@mail1.mx.voyager.net> >>>Re: [f-AA] please remove me from list I cannot keep up w/ post It is a requirement for tailwheel pilots, if you can not keep up with the e-mails what are you going to do in that Chief, with a x-wind, short final and your passenger is ready to lose it! Remember your in a Chief not a Champ! Mikek? Mike Knemeyer 7AC-2015 NC83348 3oh0 Yellow Springs,Ohio Phone: W 937-222-6444 Fax: W 937-222-6448 Cell: W 937-684-5998 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/4290e35e/attachment.htm From mknemeyer at erinet.com Sat Jul 1 14:42:40 2006 From: mknemeyer at erinet.com (Mike Knemeyer) Date: Sat Jul 1 10:42:42 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter Message-ID: <200607011742.k61HgfII082189@mail2.mx.voyager.net> Usually you have a course screen filter in the tank as part of the fuel value - Fuel bowl filter - fine screen filter in the inlet point on the Carb. >>>Does one need to have approval to put one in? Yes in my book, it needs to filter fuel and not restrict the proper fuel flow. Mikek >>>?After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system of 12 >>> year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter >>> (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere downstream of >>> the fuel valve. >>> >>> Is there an approved filter? >>> Is there supposed to be one? > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > Mike Knemeyer 7AC-2015 NC83348 3oh0 Yellow Springs,Ohio Phone: W 937-222-6444 Fax: W 937-222-6448 Cell: W 937-684-5998 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some better, some not........ >From: "Mike Knemeyer" >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >To: aeronca@westmont.edu >Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel filter >Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:42:40 -0400 > >Usually you have a course screen filter in the tank as part of the fuel >value - Fuel bowl filter - fine screen filter in the inlet point >on the Carb. > > >>>Does one need to have approval to put one in? > >Yes in my book, it needs to filter fuel and not restrict the proper >fuel flow. > >Mikek > > > >>>?After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system of >12 > >>> year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter > >>> (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere >downstream of > >>> the fuel valve. > >>> > >>> Is there an approved filter? >>> Is there supposed to be one? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aeronca mailing list > > Aeronca@westmont.edu > > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > >Mike Knemeyer >7AC-2015 >NC83348 >3oh0 >Yellow Springs,Ohio > >Phone: W 937-222-6444 >Fax: W 937-222-6448 >Cell: W 937-684-5998 >_______________________________________________ >Aeronca mailing list >Aeronca@westmont.edu >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca From gorgonc3 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 20:19:01 2006 From: gorgonc3 at hotmail.com (Mark McAtee) Date: Sat Jul 1 12:19:11 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Weight and balance worksheet for Chief? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: just going through a bunch of old paperwork. Found the last official weight and balance. Now...what do I do with it. I cannot find in the Univair service manual reprint, or the "POH" provided on some of the lists, any reference to stations for the seating in the Chief, station for main or aux tank, etc. I probably need this info if I am to do a legal preflight weight and balance. All I have if forward and aft limits defined in the TC. I didn't use to worry about such stuff, but litigious natures prevail. Mark From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 1 13:31:52 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sat Jul 1 12:31:55 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060701193152.43670.qmail@web80725.mail.yahoo.com> Finger strainer and gascolator is all that is on the type. Not sure of any approved in-line filter. PC Mark McAtee wrote: After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system of 12 year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere downstream of the fuel valve. Is there an approved filter? Does one need to have approval to put one in? Is there supposed to be one? _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/403b2a3b/attachment.htm From jerryrosie at compuserve.com Sat Jul 1 17:00:57 2006 From: jerryrosie at compuserve.com (Jerry Rosie) Date: Sat Jul 1 13:01:56 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Re: f-AA] Weight and balance worksheet for Chief? References: <20060701191915.53AB91051807@mail.westmont.edu> Message-ID: <001601c69d49$33d1f8d0$073ac1d8@yourvp7x3s9ctm> I cannot find in the Univair service manual reprint, or the "POH" provided on some of the lists, any reference to stations for the seating in the Chief, station for main or aux tank, etc. ======================================================================= The TC should show distanced plus or minus from the datum point of all major components of the airplane - pilot, passengers, fuel, prop, tail wheel mains, etc. from which you should be able to construct a useable weight and balance sheet. As long as your loaded CF falls within the published limits, you are good to go... Cheers, Jerry From thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 1 14:16:26 2006 From: thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Holmes) Date: Sat Jul 1 13:16:30 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ailerons level or trailing, whitch is the way to go??? In-Reply-To: <003b01c69cab$7864a400$8e61f442@gateway1ec3d46> Message-ID: <20060701201626.44695.qmail@web81911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've always rigged the ailerons up 2 or 3 degrees. Tom dennis biro wrote: this was what I thought it should be, just didn't make any since!! I will give him a copy of this email. thanks, denis ----- Original Message ----- From: Plain Carl To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] ailerons level or trailing, whitch is the way to go??? Don't know where he got the 1/4" low on the ailerons. Never seen that number anywhere. Ailerons should be rigged in trail of the wing with the inner rib in line with the inner aileron bay rib. Can't trust the tip rib as it is too easily distorted. In flight the ailerons may aerodynamically flex slightly upward, which it OK. PC dennis biro wrote: I am doing an annual on my champ, N-85010. I asked my A&P to level ailerons with the wings, he said the book says, about 1/4 low on the bottom of the wings, OK , what is the way they are so pose to be??? I would thank if they are trailing, there will be drag and they are acting like the flaps are lowered!! need to know what they should be, and way the book has them 1/4 lower than the wings??? never seen a plane setup this way??? need to find a set of mag gears for the mags I have, they are slick 4333, with out gears! anybody know where I can buy them?? dennis _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/80312939/attachment.htm From thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 1 14:23:06 2006 From: thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Holmes) Date: Sat Jul 1 13:23:08 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Primer knowledge In-Reply-To: <20060701023029.D5B11BA503@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20060701202306.59969.qmail@web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Larry, that's the way the drawing shows on the pre-wars. I replumbed mine to include the primer source in the fuel shut off. Don't know about the Champs. Tom Larry Waggoner wrote: Hey all. I am going to give some info for those that might not know. Maybe I am the only one that ever slipped up on this one. Went to the Champ this afternoon to fly and found gasoline leaking from the "carb". Took the cowl all off, air intake filter off, and could see gas leaking. Had the gas valve shut off. This blew our minds. Took the gas line loose, the shut-off valve was working. Carb still leaking. Think about that. No supply but still leaking. One of our buddies dropped by and said, "How about the primer. Is it O.K.? We checked the primer knob inside the cabin. It was unlocked and about one half inch out. Pushed it in; locked it. hooked all lines up. No leaks. I checked the primer lines and found it comes direct from the tank. The main fuel shut off valve does not shut it off. It is independent of any thing else. You guys probably all knew this, but just maybe there is one more like me that is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Larry -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/9f06dfb3/attachment.htm From gorgonc3 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 21:29:44 2006 From: gorgonc3 at hotmail.com (Mark McAtee) Date: Sat Jul 1 13:29:49 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Imma D. Olt .. formerly ..Weight and Balance? In-Reply-To: <001601c69d49$33d1f8d0$073ac1d8@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: By George, it IS right there! Should have read through more than just the first sentence >From: "Jerry Rosie" >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >To: >Subject: [f-AA] Re: f-AA] Weight and balance worksheet for Chief? >Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:00:57 -0400 > >I cannot find in the Univair service manual reprint, or the "POH" provided >on some of the lists, any >reference to stations for the seating in the Chief, station for main or aux >tank, etc. >======================================================================= >The TC should show distanced plus or minus from the datum point of all >major components of the airplane - pilot, passengers, fuel, prop, tail >wheel mains, etc. from which you should be able to construct a useable >weight and balance sheet. As long as your loaded CF falls within the >published limits, you are good to go... > >Cheers, > Jerry > >_______________________________________________ >Aeronca mailing list >Aeronca@westmont.edu >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca From B25flyer at aol.com Sat Jul 1 17:31:20 2006 From: B25flyer at aol.com (B25flyer@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 1 13:31:29 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring Message-ID: <224.66f9d8b.31d83598@aol.com> Having a problem with a Scott 3200. It needs to have some shims put on top of the leaf springs so that the pivot point is vertical. Any info on what type of shims can be used or made? And what type of metal to make them out of? Walt Troyer 5205 Oak Road Sebring, FL 33875 P 863 471 1423 Aeronca 7AC N83321 A flying sweetheart, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike S. ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 4:54 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: Re: [f-AA] Syllabus? Mike, I have one, but it is on my other computer. I know that Tony has a good one. If he doesn't chime in, I'll be home in a week or so. Tom "Spence, Mike" wrote: List: Do any you guys/gals on the list have, or know of someone that would have, a Tailwheel Training Syllabus? Tony, are you out there??? Mike S. Champion 7EC C-FKQV OF #49 _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/0d1530e0/attachment.htm From cgalley at qcbc.org Sat Jul 1 17:03:13 2006 From: cgalley at qcbc.org (cgalley) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:03:22 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter References: Message-ID: <009b01c69d51$c6b6fa30$55abd60c@Cy> Isn't there a gascolator? Parts list has it as part #1-520 for both the Champ AND the Chief! There should also be a screen filter in the Carb inlet fitting. Cy Galley - Chair, Air Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McAtee" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter > After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system of 12 > year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter > (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere downstream of > the fuel valve. > > Is there an approved filter? Does one need to have approval to put one > in? Is there supposed to be one? > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > From mknemeyer at erinet.com Sat Jul 1 18:09:56 2006 From: mknemeyer at erinet.com (Mike Knemeyer) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:10:00 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter Message-ID: <200607012109.k61L9ttX020135@mail1.mx.voyager.net> Plain Carl, My Stromberg has a fine finger strainer at the intake point for the fuel line hose not easy to see and usually missed at annual time.. Mikek Finger strainer and gascolator is all that is on the type.? Not sure of any approved in-line filter. ? PCMark McAtee wrote: After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system of 12 year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere downstream of the fuel valve.Is there an approved filter? Does one need to have approval to put one in? Is there supposed to be one?_______________________________________________Aeronca mailing listAeronca@westmont.eduhttp://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > Mike Knemeyer 7AC-2015 NC83348 3oh0 Yellow Springs,Ohio Phone: W 937-222-6444 Fax: W 937-222-6448 Cell: W 937-684-5998 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/0442c243/attachment.htm From cgalley at qcbc.org Sat Jul 1 17:12:56 2006 From: cgalley at qcbc.org (cgalley) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:13:05 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter References: Message-ID: <00db01c69d53$1fa87d20$55abd60c@Cy> There was a fine screen in the top of the gascolator when it left the factory. See the attached drawing 1-520. It looks like they used this gascolator for all Aeronca products after 1944. Note! Metal bowl and the screen is #1-520-2 The other number I believe is the AC vendor part number. Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McAtee" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel filter > There is no screen in the gascolator. The old glass one had a sintered > bronze thing. The one on now is just a sediment bowl with quick drain. > In the years prior to my re-purchase, some things have changed on the > plane. Some better, some not........ > > >>From: "Mike Knemeyer" >>Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel filter >>Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:42:40 -0400 >> >>Usually you have a course screen filter in the tank as part of the fuel >>value - Fuel bowl filter - fine screen filter in the inlet point >>on the Carb. >> >> >>>Does one need to have approval to put one in? >> >>Yes in my book, it needs to filter fuel and not restrict the proper >>fuel flow. >> >>Mikek >> >> >> >>>?After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system >> >>>of >>12 >> >>> year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter >> >>> (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere >>downstream of >> >>> the fuel valve. >> >>> >> >>> Is there an approved filter? >>> Is there supposed to be one? >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aeronca mailing list >> > Aeronca@westmont.edu >> > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca >> > >>Mike Knemeyer >>7AC-2015 >>NC83348 >>3oh0 >>Yellow Springs,Ohio >> >>Phone: W 937-222-6444 >>Fax: W 937-222-6448 >>Cell: W 937-684-5998 > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Aeronca mailing list >>Aeronca@westmont.edu >>http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > From cgalley at qcbc.org Sat Jul 1 17:15:43 2006 From: cgalley at qcbc.org (cgalley) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:15:59 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter References: Message-ID: <00e101c69d53$83626d30$55abd60c@Cy> Sorry, I forgot to attach the drawing. The screen probably is in your gascolator top. One can't see it very well as the gascolator is below eye-level. Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McAtee" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel filter > There is no screen in the gascolator. The old glass one had a sintered > bronze thing. The one on now is just a sediment bowl with quick drain. > In the years prior to my re-purchase, some things have changed on the > plane. Some better, some not........ > > >>From: "Mike Knemeyer" >>Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel filter >>Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:42:40 -0400 >> >>Usually you have a course screen filter in the tank as part of the fuel >>value - Fuel bowl filter - fine screen filter in the inlet point >>on the Carb. >> >> >>>Does one need to have approval to put one in? >> >>Yes in my book, it needs to filter fuel and not restrict the proper >>fuel flow. >> >>Mikek >> >> >> >>>?After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system >> >>>of >>12 >> >>> year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter >> >>> (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere >>downstream of >> >>> the fuel valve. >> >>> >> >>> Is there an approved filter? >>> Is there supposed to be one? >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aeronca mailing list >> > Aeronca@westmont.edu >> > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca >> > >>Mike Knemeyer >>7AC-2015 >>NC83348 >>3oh0 >>Yellow Springs,Ohio >> >>Phone: W 937-222-6444 >>Fax: W 937-222-6448 >>Cell: W 937-684-5998 > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Aeronca mailing list >>Aeronca@westmont.edu >>http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-520.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 195016 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/e700decd/1-520-0001.obj From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 1 15:18:20 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:18:33 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring In-Reply-To: <224.66f9d8b.31d83598@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060701211820.14987.qmail@web80732.mail.yahoo.com> Shims in the clamping area are not a good idea because it may induce too much torque force on the AN4's. Sounds like the t\w leaf needs to be rearched. I've had pretty good luck in rearching them with the Mark III armstrong powered 16# sledge. I have a big ol' vice on my industrial strength workbench and clamp the spring in on the fuselage end and just wale away with the sledge. Takes careful planning on the swing because you are going to get one big recoil and lots of vibration back through the handle. Not a pretty sight, but effective anyway. I have also run a 1/2X4 lag screw through the hole into a big hunk of 8x8 tinber to anchor it down and placed the other end on a hunk of 240# railroad iron prior to attack. PC B25flyer@aol.com wrote: Having a problem with a Scott 3200. It needs to have some shims put on top of the leaf springs so that the pivot point is vertical. Any info on what type of shims can be used or made? And what type of metal to make them out of? Walt Troyer 5205 Oak Road Sebring, FL 33875 P 863 471 1423 Aeronca 7AC N83321 A flying sweetheart, _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/611a7fc7/attachment.htm From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 1 15:22:49 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:22:51 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter In-Reply-To: <200607012109.k61L9ttX020135@mail1.mx.voyager.net> Message-ID: <20060701212249.16303.qmail@web80732.mail.yahoo.com> Both the Strombone and MS have the strainers. That's for the motor. Airframe TC only includes the tank finger and gascolator screen, PC Mike Knemeyer wrote: Plain Carl, My Stromberg has a fine finger strainer at the intake point for the fuel line hose not easy to see and usually missed at annual time.. Mikek Finger strainer and gascolator is all that is on the type. Not sure of any approved in-line filter. PCMark McAtee wrote: After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system of 12 year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere downstream of the fuel valve.Is there an approved filter? Does one need to have approval to put one in? Is there supposed to be one?_______________________________________________Aeronca mailing listAeronca@westmont.eduhttp://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > Mike Knemeyer 7AC-2015 NC83348 3oh0 Yellow Springs,Ohio Phone: W 937-222-6444 Fax: W 937-222-6448 Cell: W 937-684-5998 _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/ae024f63/attachment.htm From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 1 15:24:10 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:24:12 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filter In-Reply-To: <00db01c69d53$1fa87d20$55abd60c@Cy> Message-ID: <20060701212410.47700.qmail@web80727.mail.yahoo.com> You can get the screens at the John Deere store. PC cgalley wrote: There was a fine screen in the top of the gascolator when it left the factory. See the attached drawing 1-520. It looks like they used this gascolator for all Aeronca products after 1944. Note! Metal bowl and the screen is #1-520-2 The other number I believe is the AC vendor part number. Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McAtee" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel filter > There is no screen in the gascolator. The old glass one had a sintered > bronze thing. The one on now is just a sediment bowl with quick drain. > In the years prior to my re-purchase, some things have changed on the > plane. Some better, some not........ > > >>From: "Mike Knemeyer" >>Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel filter >>Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:42:40 -0400 >> >>Usually you have a course screen filter in the tank as part of the fuel >>value - Fuel bowl filter - fine screen filter in the inlet point >>on the Carb. >> >> >>>Does one need to have approval to put one in? >> >>Yes in my book, it needs to filter fuel and not restrict the proper >>fuel flow. >> >>Mikek >> >> >> >>>?After having a carb rebuilt, reinstalled and cleaning a fuel system >> >>>of >>12 >> >>> year old car gas, I noticed that the Chief doesn't have a fuel filter >> >>> (finger strainer in the tank and sump at low point) anywhere >>downstream of >> >>> the fuel valve. >> >>> >> >>> Is there an approved filter? >>> Is there supposed to be one? >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aeronca mailing list >> > Aeronca@westmont.edu >> > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca >> > >>Mike Knemeyer >>7AC-2015 >>NC83348 >>3oh0 >>Yellow Springs,Ohio >> >>Phone: W 937-222-6444 >>Fax: W 937-222-6448 >>Cell: W 937-684-5998 > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Aeronca mailing list >>Aeronca@westmont.edu >>http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/8bbda400/attachment.htm From cgalley at qcbc.org Sat Jul 1 17:38:49 2006 From: cgalley at qcbc.org (cgalley) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:39:03 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring References: <224.66f9d8b.31d83598@aol.com> Message-ID: <012e01c69d56$c10fe330$55abd60c@Cy> No need for shims. Re-arch or replace the spring. Re-arching has to be done cold and can be done with a lot of noise with a sledge. A hydraulic press works well and is much quieter. We have a 12 ton press for that at Oshkosh. Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: B25flyer@aol.com To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring Having a problem with a Scott 3200. It needs to have some shims put on top of the leaf springs so that the pivot point is vertical. Any info on what type of shims can be used or made? And what type of metal to make them out of? Walt Troyer 5205 Oak Road Sebring, FL 33875 P 863 471 1423 Aeronca 7AC N83321 A flying sweetheart, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/318a0139/attachment.htm From B25flyer at aol.com Sat Jul 1 18:42:44 2006 From: B25flyer at aol.com (B25flyer@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:42:56 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring Message-ID: <53e.20b9a59.31d84654@aol.com> Cy and all.....thanks for the help. Will get out the 20 pound sledge, some big pieces of wood and re-arrange it's position and outlook on life as a tailwheel spring. Thanks again Walt Troyer 5205 Oak Road Sebring, FL 33875 P 863 471 1423 Aeronca 7AC N83321 A flying sweetheart, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/639372c1/attachment.htm From SPENCEM at tc.gc.ca Sat Jul 1 18:50:46 2006 From: SPENCEM at tc.gc.ca (Spence, Mike) Date: Sat Jul 1 14:50:53 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Syllabus? References: <20060701205756.48862.qmail@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A01BD@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> Hi Tom: I've have a syllabus in my head I've been using with my students so far, I just wondered if someone had one developed and written that I could compare to. I've told my instructors for years to keep searching for different ways/new ideas to get their info across to their students. Mike S.. ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes Sent: Sat 7/1/2006 4:57 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: RE: [f-AA] Syllabus? Mike, if you use the AmeliaReid syllabus, and take out all the redundant stuff that PPL has already covered, you'll be fine. Spend a lot of time just taxiing around to get reacquainted with your feet!! ;-) Tom "Spence, Mike" wrote: Thanks Tom - Standing by. Mike S. ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 4:54 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: Re: [f-AA] Syllabus? Mike, I have one, but it is on my other computer. I know that Tony has a good one. If he doesn't chime in, I'll be home in a week or so. Tom "Spence, Mike" wrote: List: Do any you guys/gals on the list have, or know of someone that would have, a Tailwheel Training Syllabus? Tony, are you out there??? Mike S. 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I've had pretty good luck in rearching them with the Mark III armstrong powered 16# sledge. I have a big ol' vice on my industrial strength workbench and clamp the spring in on the fuselage end and just wale away with the sledge. Takes careful planning on the swing because you are going to get one big recoil and lots of vibration back through the handle. Not a pretty sight, but effective anyway. I have also run a 1/2X4 lag screw through the hole into a big hunk of 8x8 tinber to anchor it down and placed the other end on a hunk of 240# railroad iron prior to attack. PC B25flyer@aol.com wrote: Having a problem with a Scott 3200. It needs to have some shims put on top of the leaf springs so that the pivot point is vertical. Any info on what type of shims can be used or made? And what type of metal to make them out of? Walt Troyer 5205 Oak Road Sebring, FL 33875 P 863 471 1423 Aeronca 7AC N83321 A flying sweetheart, _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4726 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/8f69ad79/attachment.bin From jerryrosie at compuserve.com Sat Jul 1 19:05:24 2006 From: jerryrosie at compuserve.com (Jerry Rosie) Date: Sat Jul 1 15:08:20 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Re: Aeronca Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 References: <20060701211602.7662B1051DC1@mail.westmont.edu> Message-ID: <001001c69d5a$dcbb07a0$043ec1d8@yourvp7x3s9ctm> By George, it IS right there! Should have read through more than just the first sentence ====================================== I've got a handy-dandy spread sheet that will figure weight and balance for you when you plug in the numbers (weight and distance). Computes moment and CG with no head scratching on your part. I can email it to you if you're interested. Cheers, Jerry From poobahster at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 16:24:19 2006 From: poobahster at gmail.com (John Rodkey) Date: Sat Jul 1 15:24:27 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Weight and balance worksheet for Chief? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33837b380607011524x5c9132dfu3a376e55cec13c10@mail.gmail.com> The Type certificate shows where the reference point is, which I recall is the leading edge of the wing. All measurements aft of this datum would be positive numbers, and forward would be negative numbers. On 7/1/06, Mark McAtee wrote: > > > > just going through a bunch of old paperwork. Found the last official > weight > and balance. Now...what do I do with it. I cannot find in the Univair > service manual reprint, or the "POH" provided on some of the lists, any > reference to stations for the seating in the Chief, station for main or > aux > tank, etc. I probably need this info if I am to do a legal preflight > weight > and balance. > All I have if forward and aft limits defined in the TC. > I didn't use to worry about such stuff, but litigious natures prevail. > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > -- John (poobah) Rodkey - N9361E 11AC at Goleta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/99019f35/attachment.htm From poobahster at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 16:33:52 2006 From: poobahster at gmail.com (John Rodkey) Date: Sat Jul 1 15:33:57 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring In-Reply-To: <6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A01BE@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> References: <20060701211820.14987.qmail@web80732.mail.yahoo.com> <6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A01BE@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> Message-ID: <33837b380607011533x674f5ce9i23f2804652704b1a@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone say ear plugs under headsets and leather gloves? Might as well save the ears and hands God has given you, as spares are bit hard to come by. John On 7/1/06, Spence, Mike wrote: > > I knew Carl would come through with his "Custom Tailwheel Spring > Modification Technique" > :-) > I've tried - it works! .....But the cautions are VALID! > Mike S. > > ________________________________ > > From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Plain Carl > Sent: Sat 7/1/2006 5:18 PM > To: aeronca@westmont.edu > Subject: Re: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring > > > Shims in the clamping area are not a good idea because it may induce too > much torque force on the AN4's. Sounds like the t\w leaf needs to be > rearched. I've had pretty good luck in rearching them with the Mark III > armstrong powered 16# sledge. I have a big ol' vice on my industrial > strength workbench and clamp the spring in on the fuselage end and just wale > away with the sledge. Takes careful planning on the swing because you are > going to get one big recoil and lots of vibration back through the > handle. Not a pretty sight, but effective anyway. I have also run a 1/2X4 > lag screw through the hole into a big hunk of 8x8 tinber to anchor it down > and placed the other end on a hunk of 240# railroad iron prior to attack. > > PC > > B25flyer@aol.com wrote: > > > Having a problem with a Scott 3200. It needs to have some shims > put on top of the leaf springs so that the pivot point is vertical. Any info > on what type of shims can be used or made? And what type of metal to make > them out of? > > Walt Troyer > 5205 Oak Road > Sebring, FL 33875 > P 863 471 1423 > Aeronca 7AC N83321 A flying sweetheart, > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > -- John (poobah) Rodkey - N9361E 11AC at Goleta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/f569213b/attachment.htm From gorgonc3 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 23:45:21 2006 From: gorgonc3 at hotmail.com (Mark McAtee) Date: Sat Jul 1 15:45:28 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Re: Aeronca Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <001001c69d5a$dcbb07a0$043ec1d8@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: be glad to have it. Computer spread sheet for a slide rule airplane. What will the think of next! >From: "Jerry Rosie" >Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >To: >Subject: [f-AA] Re: Aeronca Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 >Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:05:24 -0400 > >By George, it IS right there! Should have read through more than just the >first sentence >====================================== >I've got a handy-dandy spread sheet that will figure weight and balance for >you when you plug in the numbers (weight and distance). Computes moment >and CG with no head scratching on your part. I can email it to you if >you're interested. > >Cheers, > Jerry > >_______________________________________________ >Aeronca mailing list >Aeronca@westmont.edu >http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca From psafran at graffitis.com Sat Jul 1 20:12:56 2006 From: psafran at graffitis.com (Paul Safran) Date: Sat Jul 1 16:12:52 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring References: <20060701211820.14987.qmail@web80732.mail.yahoo.com><6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A01BE@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> <33837b380607011533x674f5ce9i23f2804652704b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008801c69d63$e3e9a0a0$0501010a@oemcomputer> with a BIG scar on my shin to remind me, I now travel off to the nearby truck spring shop with coffee & donuts for them to tweak away. haven't had to re-do one from them yet nice thing is they can put in small arcs at various points along the spring fo a nice even result Paul ****************************************************** Paul L. Safran Graffiti's Graphics 50 Adams Road, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 USA www.graffitis.com 518-587-5054 voice & fax 800-472-3136 voice & fax . ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rodkey To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring Can anyone say ear plugs under headsets and leather gloves? Might as well save the ears and hands God has given you, as spares are bit hard to come by. John On 7/1/06, Spence, Mike wrote: I knew Carl would come through with his "Custom Tailwheel Spring Modification Technique" :-) I've tried - it works! .....But the cautions are VALID! Mike S. ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Plain Carl Sent: Sat 7/1/2006 5:18 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: Re: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring Shims in the clamping area are not a good idea because it may induce too much torque force on the AN4's. Sounds like the t\w leaf needs to be rearched. I've had pretty good luck in rearching them with the Mark III armstrong powered 16# sledge. I have a big ol' vice on my industrial strength workbench and clamp the spring in on the fuselage end and just wale away with the sledge. Takes careful planning on the swing because you are going to get one big recoil and lots of vibration back through the handle. Not a pretty sight, but effective anyway. I have also run a 1/2X4 lag screw through the hole into a big hunk of 8x8 tinber to anchor it down and placed the other end on a hunk of 240# railroad iron prior to attack. PC B25flyer@aol.com wrote: Having a problem with a Scott 3200. It needs to have some shims put on top of the leaf springs so that the pivot point is vertical. Any info on what type of shims can be used or made? And what type of metal to make them out of? Walt Troyer 5205 Oak Road Sebring, FL 33875 P 863 471 1423 Aeronca 7AC N83321 A flying sweetheart, _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -- John (poobah) Rodkey - N9361E 11AC at Goleta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had give it some thought to let my students practice "minor crashes". Maybe full power, full brakes, and lightly over on its back. Nawwww. Just a smart elec talking. Larry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spence, Mike" > To: aeronca@westmont.edu > Subject: RE: [f-AA] Syllabus? > Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:01:45 -0400 > > > Steve: > What syllabus was that, that you didn't see taxi practice? > I have done the "slow groundloops" with them after landing on the > grass runway here, when turning around at the end of the landing > roll to backtrack each time for another departure. > > Mike S. > > ________________________________ > > From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Stephen briggs > Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 7:40 PM > To: aeronca@westmont.edu > Subject: Re: [f-AA] Syllabus? > > > > One thing I didn't see in the tailwheel syllabus was taxi practice. I find > it very helpful to spend a lesson having the student taxi at different > speeds in different wind orientations sometime early in the training. > > Even have them do a "slow" unintentional ground loop. (i.e. with plenty on > room on the ramp - not near other aircraft or objects) Have the student > make a turn a bit too fast and experience the tail wheel breaking free and > doing a 180 degree spin. This gives them a clear understanding of why they > must anticipate what forces are at work during a roll out and why it is so > important to stay ahead of the aircraft. > > Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > << winmail.dat >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ From donharvie at yahoo.com.au Sun Jul 2 12:05:38 2006 From: donharvie at yahoo.com.au (Don Harvie) Date: Sat Jul 1 18:06:06 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Primer knowledge In-Reply-To: <20060701023029.D5B11BA503@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060701023029.D5B11BA503@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <44A71BE2.2030205@yahoo.com.au> Larry Waggoner wrote: > Hey all. I am going to give some info for those that might not know. Maybe I am the only one that ever slipped up on this one. Went to the Champ this afternoon to fly and found gasoline leaking from the "carb". Took the cowl all off, air intake filter off, and could see gas leaking. Had the gas valve shut off. This blew our minds. Took the gas line loose, the shut-off valve was working. Carb still leaking. Think about that. No supply but still leaking. One of our buddies dropped by and said, "How about the primer. Is it O.K.? We checked the primer knob inside the cabin. It was unlocked and about one half inch out. Pushed it in; locked it. hooked all lines up. No leaks. I checked the primer lines and found it comes direct from the tank. The main fuel shut off valve does not shut it off. It is independent of any thing else. You guys probably all knew this, but just maybe there is one more like me that is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Larry > One of the more interesting landings I've experienced was as a result of an unlocked primer. A couple of years ago, Dad & I were out flying a friends Stinson 108-3 He was flying and I was in the right seat. Heading back in to the airfield the engine began to run very roughly, and after Dad had run through the usual checks all I'd noted was the with carb heat out the problem was worse. It wasn't until after we'd landed that Dad found the unlocked primer. That was a lesson learnt well for me. I always check the primer is locked now. Don H Sydney, Aus From mknemeyer at erinet.com Sat Jul 1 23:29:45 2006 From: mknemeyer at erinet.com (Mike Knemeyer) Date: Sat Jul 1 19:30:01 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Syllabus? Message-ID: <200607020229.k622TjET026247@mail1.mx.voyager.net> Mike, Are you saying that you have no written Syllabus or guide for your students? You might want to write down your syllabus that you have in your head. You will be surprised at what you get on paper. You might also have your other instructors do the same, this gives your student a guide as to what the objective is for the next lesson and what is exspected of them. mikek Hi Tom: > I've have a syllabus in my head I've been using with my students so far, I just wondered if someone had one developed and written that I could compare to. I've told my instructors for years to keep searching for different ways/new ideas to get their info across to their students. > > Mike S.. > > ________________________________ > > From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes > Sent: Sat 7/1/2006 4:57 PM > To: aeronca@westmont.edu > Subject: RE: [f-AA] Syllabus? > > > Mike, > if you use the AmeliaReid syllabus, and take out all the redundant stuff that PPL has already covered, you'll be fine. Spend a lot of time just taxiing around to get reacquainted with your feet!! ;-) > Tom > > "Spence, Mike" wrote: > > Thanks Tom - Standing by. > > Mike S. > > ________________________________ > > From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes > Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 4:54 PM > To: aeronca@westmont.edu > Subject: Re: [f-AA] Syllabus? > > > Mike, > I have one, but it is on my other computer. I know that Tony has a good one. If he doesn't chime in, I'll be home in a week or so. > Tom > > "Spence, Mike" wrote: > > List: > Do any you guys/gals on the list have, or know of someone that would have, a Tailwheel Training Syllabus? > Tony, are you out there??? > > Mike S. > Champion 7EC > C-FKQV > OF #49 > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > Mike Knemeyer 7AC-2015 NC83348 3oh0 Yellow Springs,Ohio Phone: W 937-222-6444 Fax: W 937-222-6448 Cell: W 937-684-5998 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/1b224f87/attachment.htm From ltaav8r at bluemarble.net Sun Jul 2 00:33:19 2006 From: ltaav8r at bluemarble.net (dennis biro) Date: Sat Jul 1 20:33:31 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Re: Aeronca Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 References: Message-ID: <008301c69d88$434a8c70$8e61f442@gateway1ec3d46> do you have the same thing for a 7AC champ??? if so, can I get a copy?? thanks, dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McAtee" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 6:45 PM Subject: RE: [f-AA] Re: Aeronca Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 > be glad to have it. Computer spread sheet for a slide rule airplane. > What will the think of next! > > >>From: "Jerry Rosie" >>Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu >>To: >>Subject: [f-AA] Re: Aeronca Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 >>Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:05:24 -0400 >> >>By George, it IS right there! Should have read through more than just >>the first sentence >>====================================== >>I've got a handy-dandy spread sheet that will figure weight and balance >>for you when you plug in the numbers (weight and distance). Computes >>moment and CG with no head scratching on your part. I can email it to you >>if you're interested. >> >>Cheers, >> Jerry >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Aeronca mailing list >>Aeronca@westmont.edu >>http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > From dan.francis at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 2 01:31:02 2006 From: dan.francis at sbcglobal.net (Dan Francis) Date: Sat Jul 1 22:31:15 2006 Subject: [f-AA] MMO(gasp!)(was)Metal in oil screen Message-ID: <004701c69d98$b5badcf0$6401a8c0@dan> Well, since I am responsible for starting the MMO debate (again) by admitting its use let me tell you my experience. I bought the airplane 5 years ago and the prior owner had access to 80 octane. I only had 100LL avail and tried to get TCP which at the time was unavailable. About 20 hours later I did notice the engine running rough and shortly thereafter had a stuck valve. I added MMO to the fuel and got it started and after a full power runup I shut down and pulled the prop through and no longer had a stuck valve. I flew the airplane and about 20 minutes into the flight the engine went smooth as silk. I could actually feel it go smooth. It has run that way ever since. Now having said that, I am also now getting metal in my oil screen 5 years and about 250 hours later. I am a MMO believer, but may also be buying a new engine soon! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Plain Carl To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: 6/29/06 9:24:15 AM Subject: [f-AA] MMO(gasp!)(was)Metal in oil screen Oh boy, here we go again. I have used MMO as a pachydermal repellant for the past 30 years and it has worked wonderfully. No elephants at OI. Just wish it worked as well on fire ants and coyotes. PC Bruce Snider wrote: Does the group have an opinion on MMO??? I have used it on my 35 year old chris craft engines for the last 8 years and they never miss a beat. Thanks! Bruce Dan Francis wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions. I have been using Aeroshell 15w50 for 5 years in this engine ( and a little MMO in the fuel ; ). I scoped the engine with a cheapie fibre optic scope and one cylinder has suspicious looking walls - but I don't have any experience, so will try to find someone with a bore scope and experience. The airplane is awaiting annual so it may be a couple of weeks before it flies again, but I will report back. Thanks again for all your help. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/e15e2dc8/attachment.htm From flailer at comcast.net Sat Jul 1 23:46:32 2006 From: flailer at comcast.net (Darren Lamp) Date: Sat Jul 1 22:57:47 2006 Subject: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 Message-ID: <03bf01c69d9a$df744020$0202a8c0@Belkin> Hi Group, I have some bendix mags that we have rebuilt for the a65. The tops of the mags are the style with the wire exits at an angle vs straight up. When we went to install and time the mags, I could not get 30 degrees btdc set because the motor mount is in the way of one spark plug wire on each side. I see I need to put on the straight up tops (which I have). Problem is that I will need to get new plug wires as the straight tops need a longer wire insert on the mag portion. I can get 28 and 32 degrees btdc no problem. Is it a bad idea to run at 28 degrees btdc until the new wires come in? Would 32 be better? Another consideration is that the motor is a fresh rebuild. I have been a "hanger hobo" out here in Arlington Wa for about 3 months trying to get the Defender going again, and the folks who own the latest hanger I am squatting in are in a patient hurry to get me flying again and into my own hanger on Vashon Island. They think I am silly to worry about 2 degrees of difference, but I don't want to do anything stupid on the final stretch (or really ever:). Thanks! :Darren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060701/546686b5/attachment.htm From SPENCEM at tc.gc.ca Sun Jul 2 08:01:28 2006 From: SPENCEM at tc.gc.ca (Spence, Mike) Date: Sun Jul 2 04:23:40 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ###Sillybus### References: <008301c69d88$509bf8f0$41010a0a@shuttlesk41g> Message-ID: <6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A01C1@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> I would say ! ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of planeseller Sent: Sat 7/1/2006 11:33 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: [f-AA] ###Sillybus### Did my old 1969 VW Westfalia with a Corvair transaxle and 150 hp 1966 Corvair turbo-charged engine qualify as a Sillybus? Robert -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3222 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/c9a6adb3/attachment.bin From mgoose33 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 12:31:15 2006 From: mgoose33 at hotmail.com (charles stephenson) Date: Sun Jul 2 04:31:23 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ###Sillybus### In-Reply-To: <6C48B6813435014BA737F113D120A1095A01C1@onttormx11.tc.gc.ca> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/15aae19c/attachment.htm From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 2 06:17:13 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sun Jul 2 05:17:17 2006 Subject: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 In-Reply-To: <03bf01c69d9a$df744020$0202a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <20060702121713.26493.qmail@web80723.mail.yahoo.com> Be sure the internal timing is correct on the mags before install. If that is of no help, move the driven gear one tooth off of the index and see if the new mounting for the mag body will allow 30. The mags do not know which tooth is engaged, they just fire when the points open. If all fails, run at 28, not 32. In some applications the driven gear can be reinstalled 180 deg out which will put it a half tooth advanced or retarded. Can't remember the specific application. PC Darren Lamp wrote: Hi Group, I have some bendix mags that we have rebuilt for the a65. The tops of the mags are the style with the wire exits at an angle vs straight up. When we went to install and time the mags, I could not get 30 degrees btdc set because the motor mount is in the way of one spark plug wire on each side. I see I need to put on the straight up tops (which I have). Problem is that I will need to get new plug wires as the straight tops need a longer wire insert on the mag portion. I can get 28 and 32 degrees btdc no problem. Is it a bad idea to run at 28 degrees btdc until the new wires come in? Would 32 be better? Another consideration is that the motor is a fresh rebuild. I have been a "hanger hobo" out here in Arlington Wa for about 3 months trying to get the Defender going again, and the folks who own the latest hanger I am squatting in are in a patient hurry to get me flying again and into my own hanger on Vashon Island. They think I am silly to worry about 2 degrees of difference, but I don't want to do anything stupid on the final stretch (or really ever:). Thanks! :Darren _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/b2cb193b/attachment.htm From psafran at graffitis.com Sun Jul 2 09:47:37 2006 From: psafran at graffitis.com (Paul Safran) Date: Sun Jul 2 05:47:39 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Primer knowledge References: <20060701023029.D5B11BA503@ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com> <44A71BE2.2030205@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <003601c69dd5$b35c3fc0$0501010a@oemcomputer> simple solution... 2 dabs of red nailpolish on the knob and panel lined up in the UNlocked position quick glance to be sure they're not lined up, and ideally 180 opposite and you're good to go. (of course that's assuming the locking pin IS under the collar) Paul ****************************************************** Paul L. Safran Graffiti's Graphics 50 Adams Road, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 USA www.graffitis.com 518-587-5054 voice & fax 800-472-3136 voice & fax . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Harvie" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] Primer knowledge > Larry Waggoner wrote: > > Hey all. I am going to give some info for those that might not know. Maybe I am the only one that ever slipped up on this one. Went to the Champ this afternoon to fly and found gasoline leaking from the "carb". Took the cowl all off, air intake filter off, and could see gas leaking. Had the gas valve shut off. This blew our minds. Took the gas line loose, the shut-off valve was working. Carb still leaking. Think about that. No supply but still leaking. One of our buddies dropped by and said, "How about the primer. Is it O.K.? We checked the primer knob inside the cabin. It was unlocked and about one half inch out. Pushed it in; locked it. hooked all lines up. No leaks. I checked the primer lines and found it comes direct from the tank. The main fuel shut off valve does not shut it off. It is independent of any thing else. You guys probably all knew this, but just maybe there is one more like me that is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Larry > > > > One of the more interesting landings I've experienced was as a result of > an unlocked primer. > > A couple of years ago, Dad & I were out flying a friends Stinson 108-3 > He was flying and I was in the right seat. > Heading back in to the airfield the engine began to run very roughly, > and after Dad had run through the usual checks all I'd noted was the > with carb heat out the problem was worse. > > It wasn't until after we'd landed that Dad found the unlocked primer. > > That was a lesson learnt well for me. I always check the primer is > locked now. > > Don H > Sydney, Aus > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > From Aeronca7AC at sympatico.ca Sun Jul 2 09:53:39 2006 From: Aeronca7AC at sympatico.ca (Robert McDonald) Date: Sun Jul 2 06:02:06 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring In-Reply-To: <012e01c69d56$c10fe330$55abd60c@Cy> References: <224.66f9d8b.31d83598@aol.com> <012e01c69d56$c10fe330$55abd60c@Cy> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.1.20060702085206.02e0de50@pop1.sympatico.ca> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 06/30/2006 From cgalley at qcbc.org Sun Jul 2 09:48:02 2006 From: cgalley at qcbc.org (cgalley) Date: Sun Jul 2 06:48:21 2006 Subject: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 References: <03bf01c69d9a$df744020$0202a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <007601c69dde$259e9c10$55abd60c@Cy> Timing for the A-75 and the A-80 is 29? and 32? upper and bottom. Timing for the a-50 is 25? and 28? upper and bottom. Probably if you are getting adequate static rpm you will be fine. Remember though I have never stayed in a Holiday Express! Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Lamp To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:46 AM Subject: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 Hi Group, I have some bendix mags that we have rebuilt for the a65. The tops of the mags are the style with the wire exits at an angle vs straight up. When we went to install and time the mags, I could not get 30 degrees btdc set because the motor mount is in the way of one spark plug wire on each side. I see I need to put on the straight up tops (which I have). Problem is that I will need to get new plug wires as the straight tops need a longer wire insert on the mag portion. I can get 28 and 32 degrees btdc no problem. Is it a bad idea to run at 28 degrees btdc until the new wires come in? Would 32 be better? Another consideration is that the motor is a fresh rebuild. I have been a "hanger hobo" out here in Arlington Wa for about 3 months trying to get the Defender going again, and the folks who own the latest hanger I am squatting in are in a patient hurry to get me flying again and into my own hanger on Vashon Island. They think I am silly to worry about 2 degrees of difference, but I don't want to do anything stupid on the final stretch (or really ever:). Thanks! :Darren ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/dd37616e/attachment.htm From n2064e at provide.net Sun Jul 2 10:51:34 2006 From: n2064e at provide.net (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun Jul 2 06:51:44 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filters, gascilators, and jet flying Message-ID: <200607021351.k62DpSwk024451@mailout.provide.net> Hey all, Well I am now an official jetBlue pilot released to line flying. 25 hours of initial experience with a check airman and they signed me off. Very nice airplane, the heads up display takes a bit of getting used to but works great. Monday I check with scheduling for my dreaded reserve schedule. Today should see some Champ time and a return to real flying. Just a thought on fuel filters and gascilators. I converted over to a Steve's aircraft gascilator on the Champ after putting one on for a customer. We had the glass bowl with two seals before that. I have a friend who destroyed an award winning Swift due to a bad gascilator seal causing engine failure at around 400'. I also had a call from a friend in WA who was working on an RV-6. His gascilator seal had come loose and he lost 10 gallons of fuel in 5 minutes. I am probably just paranoid about something that has worked for 60 years but it sure makes me feel better. Your mechanic will love it as it is extremely easy to clean and requires a cotter pin to safety. They are expensive, I think mine was around $200, but you can usually get $25 or 30 for the old gascilator on eBay. If anyone is interested, the website is http://www.stevesaircraft.com/gascolator.htm. Interested to see what everyone thinks on this one. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/5422b9c2/attachment.htm From ltaav8r at bluemarble.net Sun Jul 2 11:05:54 2006 From: ltaav8r at bluemarble.net (dennis biro) Date: Sun Jul 2 07:06:08 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ailerons level or trailing, whitch is the way to go??? References: <007e01c69c96$243ea2f0$8e61f442@gateway1ec3d46> <034a01c69ca0$d325d450$55abd60c@Cy> Message-ID: <001801c69de0$a2458ce0$8e61f442@gateway1ec3d46> I bought the mags from Harry, when he sent them to me, he forgot to include the gears, they are now in the mail!! this is good to know, it would of been a little hard to explain to the wife, that I now have to spend a couple more hundred dollars to complete the mags!! Dennis biro, sleeping with just one eye open, instead of two!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: cgalley To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [f-AA] ailerons level or trailing, whitch is the way to go??? See if you can find a set of used gears as the new ones from Continental cost more than the mags. Slick also makes new ones for a lot less. Could check with Harry Fenton, gippsaero@charter.net Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: dennis biro To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: [f-AA] ailerons level or trailing, whitch is the way to go??? I am doing an annual on my champ, N-85010. I asked my A&P to level ailerons with the wings, he said the book says, about 1/4 low on the bottom of the wings, OK , what is the way they are so pose to be??? I would thank if they are trailing, there will be drag and they are acting like the flaps are lowered!! need to know what they should be, and way the book has them 1/4 lower than the wings??? never seen a plane setup this way??? need to find a set of mag gears for the mags I have, they are slick 4333, with out gears! anybody know where I can buy them?? dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/689b774f/attachment.htm From cgalley at qcbc.org Sun Jul 2 10:07:01 2006 From: cgalley at qcbc.org (cgalley) Date: Sun Jul 2 07:07:06 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring References: <224.66f9d8b.31d83598@aol.com> <012e01c69d56$c10fe330$55abd60c@Cy> <6.1.1.1.1.20060702085206.02e0de50@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <00cd01c69de0$ca7554c0$55abd60c@Cy> Keep the press blocks close together and bend just a short section and then move to a new location. Make the resulting overall arch smooth. If you get the pressblocks to far apart, the spring will do just that instead of bending. If you have drawing # 3-428 you can compare your spring to the factory drawing. Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert McDonald To: aeronca@westmont.edu ; aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [f-AA] Shims for tailwheel spring At 17:38 07/01/2006, cgalley wrote: No need for shims. Re-arch or replace the spring. Re-arching has to be done cold and can be done with a lot of noise with a sledge. A hydraulic press works well and is much quieter. We have a 12 ton press for that at Oshkosh. Cy, Can you elaborate on the technique? Do you just support the ends and press the middle? I assume it is done one leaf at a time. Rob McDonald, Owen Sound, Ontario 1946 Champ 7AC-3388 - CF-RWQ - xNC84677 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 06/30/2006 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/cb489bb7/attachment.htm From cgalley at qcbc.org Sun Jul 2 10:10:21 2006 From: cgalley at qcbc.org (cgalley) Date: Sun Jul 2 07:10:26 2006 Subject: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 References: <03bf01c69d9a$df744020$0202a8c0@Belkin> <007601c69dde$259e9c10$55abd60c@Cy> Message-ID: <00f301c69de1$41766b40$55abd60c@Cy> I agree with Carl that 28? is better than the 32? Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: cgalley To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 Timing for the A-75 and the A-80 is 29? and 32? upper and bottom. Timing for the a-50 is 25? and 28? upper and bottom. Probably if you are getting adequate static rpm you will be fine. Remember though I have never stayed in a Holiday Express! Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Lamp To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:46 AM Subject: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 Hi Group, I have some bendix mags that we have rebuilt for the a65. The tops of the mags are the style with the wire exits at an angle vs straight up. When we went to install and time the mags, I could not get 30 degrees btdc set because the motor mount is in the way of one spark plug wire on each side. I see I need to put on the straight up tops (which I have). Problem is that I will need to get new plug wires as the straight tops need a longer wire insert on the mag portion. I can get 28 and 32 degrees btdc no problem. Is it a bad idea to run at 28 degrees btdc until the new wires come in? Would 32 be better? Another consideration is that the motor is a fresh rebuild. I have been a "hanger hobo" out here in Arlington Wa for about 3 months trying to get the Defender going again, and the folks who own the latest hanger I am squatting in are in a patient hurry to get me flying again and into my own hanger on Vashon Island. They think I am silly to worry about 2 degrees of difference, but I don't want to do anything stupid on the final stretch (or really ever:). Thanks! :Darren ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/73a1e174/attachment.htm From fuselsausage at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 09:39:38 2006 From: fuselsausage at yahoo.com (Mike+Kathy Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 2 08:39:56 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ### thumper sighting ### Message-ID: <20060702153939.86250.qmail@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi f-AA'ers, Buzz here near Evergreen Airfield near Portland. There was a fly-in / last hurrah yesterday at Evergreen Airfield because after 10 years of rumor, it's going to be bulldozed later this month. But I did meet up with a few of the f-AA'ers that used to write: Brian T, Ann S, and Larry. Actually with so many people there that I sort-of recognize, we walked past each other a couple times. But when Thumper was walking around with them... Aha! that's Thumper! the famous flying dog! So you must be Thumper's mascots. It's been 5+ years since we've talked. So Larry ( the Pitts Dude), Ann S. and Brian had a pleasant afternoon. Ann, and Larry haven't lost their skill at keeping the ball in the middle. g'day __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 2 09:44:03 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sun Jul 2 08:44:09 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filters, gascilators, and jet flying In-Reply-To: <200607021351.k62DpSwk024451@mailout.provide.net> Message-ID: <20060702154404.11341.qmail@web80726.mail.yahoo.com> Congrats on being a "Blue birdman" Steve's gascolator is a great unit. Would use one unless one is building a trophy hauler. PC Scott Johnson wrote: Hey all, Well I am now an official jetBlue pilot released to line flying. 25 hours of initial experience with a check airman and they signed me off. Very nice airplane, the heads up display takes a bit of getting used to but works great. Monday I check with scheduling for my dreaded reserve schedule. Today should see some Champ time and a return to real flying. Just a thought on fuel filters and gascilators. I converted over to a Steve?s aircraft gascilator on the Champ after putting one on for a customer. We had the glass bowl with two seals before that. I have a friend who destroyed an award winning Swift due to a bad gascilator seal causing engine failure at around 400?. I also had a call from a friend in WA who was working on an RV-6. His gascilator seal had come loose and he lost 10 gallons of fuel in 5 minutes. I am probably just paranoid about something that has worked for 60 years but it sure makes me feel better. Your mechanic will love it as it is extremely easy to clean and requires a cotter pin to safety. They are expensive, I think mine was around $200, but you can usually get $25 or 30 for the old gascilator on eBay. If anyone is interested, the website is http://www.stevesaircraft.com/gascolator.htm. Interested to see what everyone thinks on this one. Scott _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/05db2181/attachment.htm From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 2 09:47:45 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sun Jul 2 08:47:48 2006 Subject: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 In-Reply-To: <00f301c69de1$41766b40$55abd60c@Cy> Message-ID: <20060702154745.73833.qmail@web80732.mail.yahoo.com> Detonation is probably not a problem at 32, particularly with any fuel over 90 octane, but why go beyond the TC limit? PC cgalley wrote: I agree with Carl that 28? is better than the 32? Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: cgalley To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 Timing for the A-75 and the A-80 is 29? and 32? upper and bottom. Timing for the a-50 is 25? and 28? upper and bottom. Probably if you are getting adequate static rpm you will be fine. Remember though I have never stayed in a Holiday Express! Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Lamp To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:46 AM Subject: [f-AA] mag timing on an a65-8 Hi Group, I have some bendix mags that we have rebuilt for the a65. The tops of the mags are the style with the wire exits at an angle vs straight up. When we went to install and time the mags, I could not get 30 degrees btdc set because the motor mount is in the way of one spark plug wire on each side. I see I need to put on the straight up tops (which I have). Problem is that I will need to get new plug wires as the straight tops need a longer wire insert on the mag portion. I can get 28 and 32 degrees btdc no problem. Is it a bad idea to run at 28 degrees btdc until the new wires come in? Would 32 be better? Another consideration is that the motor is a fresh rebuild. I have been a "hanger hobo" out here in Arlington Wa for about 3 months trying to get the Defender going again, and the folks who own the latest hanger I am squatting in are in a patient hurry to get me flying again and into my own hanger on Vashon Island. They think I am silly to worry about 2 degrees of difference, but I don't want to do anything stupid on the final stretch (or really ever:). 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URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/fc47354c/attachment.htm From champ7ac at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 2 09:51:06 2006 From: champ7ac at sbcglobal.net (Plain Carl) Date: Sun Jul 2 08:51:08 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ### thumper sighting ### In-Reply-To: <20060702153939.86250.qmail@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060702155106.94928.qmail@web80723.mail.yahoo.com> Sad to see Evergreen go. Lots of history there. Say hi to Brian, Ann and Larry. PC Mike+Kathy Meyer wrote: Hi f-AA'ers, Buzz here near Evergreen Airfield near Portland. There was a fly-in / last hurrah yesterday at Evergreen Airfield because after 10 years of rumor, it's going to be bulldozed later this month. But I did meet up with a few of the f-AA'ers that used to write: Brian T, Ann S, and Larry. Actually with so many people there that I sort-of recognize, we walked past each other a couple times. But when Thumper was walking around with them... Aha! that's Thumper! the famous flying dog! So you must be Thumper's mascots. It's been 5+ years since we've talked. So Larry ( the Pitts Dude), Ann S. and Brian had a pleasant afternoon. Ann, and Larry haven't lost their skill at keeping the ball in the middle. g'day __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/5d86fb22/attachment.htm From pacificpainting at comcast.net Sun Jul 2 10:50:00 2006 From: pacificpainting at comcast.net (Dave Ruddiman) Date: Sun Jul 2 09:49:45 2006 Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filters, gascilators, and jet flying References: <200607021351.k62DpSwk024451@mailout.provide.net> Message-ID: <00cc01c69df7$8f181180$0c00a8c0@Ruddiman1> Isn't the glass cockpit in a Champ just like the one in your jet? Shouldn't take an transition time at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:51 AM Subject: [f-AA] Fuel filters, gascilators, and jet flying Hey all, Well I am now an official jetBlue pilot released to line flying. 25 hours of initial experience with a check airman and they signed me off. Very nice airplane, the heads up display takes a bit of getting used to but works great. Monday I check with scheduling for my dreaded reserve schedule. Today should see some Champ time and a return to real flying. Just a thought on fuel filters and gascilators. I converted over to a Steve's aircraft gascilator on the Champ after putting one on for a customer. We had the glass bowl with two seals before that. I have a friend who destroyed an award winning Swift due to a bad gascilator seal causing engine failure at around 400'. I also had a call from a friend in WA who was working on an RV-6. His gascilator seal had come loose and he lost 10 gallons of fuel in 5 minutes. I am probably just paranoid about something that has worked for 60 years but it sure makes me feel better. Your mechanic will love it as it is extremely easy to clean and requires a cotter pin to safety. They are expensive, I think mine was around $200, but you can usually get $25 or 30 for the old gascilator on eBay. If anyone is interested, the website is http://www.stevesaircraft.com/gascolator.htm. Interested to see what everyone thinks on this one. Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aeronca mailing list Aeronca@westmont.edu http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/attachments/20060702/5bd15166/attachment.htm From steubers at theunion.net Sun Jul 2 11:06:48 2006 From: steubers at theunion.net (planeseller) Date: Sun Jul 2 10:06:03 2006 Subject: [f-AA] ###Sillybus### References: Message-ID: <001c01c69df9$e81ab600$41010a0a@shuttlesk41g> YES, BUT ONLY WHEN I HAD A LADY WITH ME! ----- Original Message ----- From: charles stephenson To: aeronca@westmont.edu Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: RE: [f-AA] ###Sillybus### did you use MMO in it? Charley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Spence, Mike" Reply-To: aeronca@westmont.edu To: Subject: RE: [f-AA] ###Sillybus### Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 07:01:28 -0400 >I would say ! > >________________________________ > >From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of planeseller >Sent: Sat 7/1/2006 11:33 PM >To: aeronca@westmont.edu >Subject: [f-AA] ###Sillybus### > > >Did my old 1969 VW Westfalia with a Corvair transaxle and 150 hp 1966 Corvair turbo-charged engine qualify as a Sillybus? 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In-Reply-To: <200607020229.k622TjET026247@mail1.mx.voyager.net> Message-ID: Mike et all, Take a look at www.fly-aerobatics.ca/training.html for a syllabus. It looks like it is a good start. I'll look through my notes to see if I can add anything to this. I know with the experience of all on the list as well as your own that an excellent syllabus can be generated. Might even be worth a chapter in the next Flight Training Manual. Happy 1st eh! Cameron and Bev, going airport bumming now -----Original Message----- From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Mike Knemeyer Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: RE: [f-AA] Syllabus? Mike, Are you saying that you have no written Syllabus or guide for your students? You might want to write down your syllabus that you have in your head. You will be surprised at what you get on paper. You might also have your other instructors do the same, this gives your student a guide as to what the objective is for the next lesson and what is exspected of them. mikek Hi Tom: > I've have a syllabus in my head I've been using with my students so far, I just wondered if someone had one developed and written that I could compare to. I've told my instructors for years to keep searching for different ways/new ideas to get their info across to their students. > > Mike S.. > > ________________________________ > > From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes > Sent: Sat 7/1/2006 4:57 PM > To: aeronca@westmont.edu > Subject: RE: [f-AA] Syllabus? > > > Mike, > if you use the AmeliaReid syllabus, and take out all the redundant stuff that PPL has already covered, you'll be fine. Spend a lot of time just taxiing around to get reacquainted with your feet!! ;-) > Tom > > "Spence, Mike" wrote: > > Thanks Tom - Standing by. > > Mike S. > > ________________________________ > > From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes > Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 4:54 PM > To: aeronca@westmont.edu > Subject: Re: [f-AA] Syllabus? > > > Mike, > I have one, but it is on my other computer. I know that Tony has a good one. If he doesn't chime in, I'll be home in a week or so. > Tom > > "Spence, Mike" wrote: > > List: > Do any you guys/gals on the list have, or know of someone that would have, a Tailwheel Training Syllabus? > Tony, are you out there??? > > Mike S. > Champion 7EC > C-FKQV > OF #49 > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aeronca mailing list > Aeronca@westmont.edu > http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca > Mike Knemeyer 7AC-2015 NC83348 3oh0 Yellow Springs,Ohio Phone: W 937-222-6444 Fax: W 937-222-6448 Cell: W 937-684-5998 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike S.. ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes Sent: Sat 7/1/2006 4:57 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: RE: [f-AA] Syllabus? Mike, if you use the AmeliaReid syllabus, and take out all the redundant stuff that PPL has already covered, you'll be fine. Spend a lot of time just taxiing around to get reacquainted with your feet!! ;-) Tom "Spence, Mike" wrote: Thanks Tom - Standing by. Mike S. ________________________________ From: aeronca-bounces@westmont.edu on behalf of Tom Holmes Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 4:54 PM To: aeronca@westmont.edu Subject: Re: [f-AA] Syllabus? Mike, I have one, but it is on my other computer. I know that Tony has a good one. If he doesn't chime in, I'll be home in a week or so. Tom "Spence, Mike" wrote: List: Do any you guys/gals on the list have, or know of someone that would have, a Tailwheel Training