[f-AA] #### any traffic please advise

Sat Nov 4 22:22:48 PST 2006

OK, gents. Let me provide an exact example of when this phrase is useful, 
and appreciated. (Nothing like a new guy, to throw gas on a fire)
 I fire up my trusty Chump, after the required 43 yanks of the prop, and 
taxi out to the active, on a warm summer evening, here in Wenatchee. I can't 
see much at all, looking into the sun, through my "Needs a new one" 
windshield. My radio sucks, and my intercom in worse. I have a choice, buy 
gas to fly, or a new comm system. I choose to fly, with minimal radio 
ability. Peering into the sunset, I can see nothing. I call "Wenatchee 
traffic, Champ 83406, taking the active 30, downwind departure, any traffic, 
please advise." 90% of the time, I hear nothing, keep looking, as best as I 
can (20/15 in both eyes, no problem there), and go about my merry way. 10% 
of the time, I hear something like "Aircraft calling Wenatchee, Cessna xxx, 
on a 45 to enter the downwind, for 12" Now, this is a good time to have used 
this call. If the radio had been busy, I would have heard, and understood, 
all I could from it, and had a better picture in my head. Maybe this guy 
called over the north bridge, and again over the south (both local 
landmarks) The point is, I didn't hear him, and though it is a big sky, and 
I likely would have seen him, now I know for sure where he is, and can spot 
him quick, and move on to scanning for the other guy. I'm already looking 
for traffic, as best as I can, but this is added insurance, and hurts 
nothing. It's kind of like the registered pervert down the street. You know 
they are out there, but it sure is nice to know exactly where. Then you can 
concentrate on the ones who don't report. What pisses me off, is the guy at 
9000', who must not have enough oxygen, making the same calls, 10 times in 2 
minutes, with a 500 watt radio, while transitioning overhead.. There is a 
big difference! I feel like I am the last guy to pee on the campfire. Kyle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Dugger" <66lima at verizon.net>
To: <aeronca at westmont.edu>; "Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp at earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] #### any traffic please advise


> And my spell checker is on.
> Take it up with Bill Gates.
>
> Rich
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp at earthlink.net>
> To: <aeronca at westmont.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [f-AA] #### any traffic please advise
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rich Dugger" <66lima at verizon.net>
> To: <aeronca at westmont.edu>; "Steven P. McNicoll" 
> <roncachamp at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [f-AA] #### any traffic please advise
>>
>> What reason might that someone have?   See below.
>>
>
> No reason is provided below.  I know you believe there is, but there 
> isn't.
>
>
>>
>> It lets you know that for one of the reasons listed above or some other
>> reason that you or I may not know or understand that he wants to know if
>> there is someone else in the pattern that he would not want to collide
>> with and possibly kill.
>>
>
> You're mistaken.  Adding "any traffic please advise" to any proper
> transmission adds four completely useless words and nothing else.  Think
> about it for a moment.  REALLY think about it this time.
>
> It's true that the fact that you just announced you were entering the
> downwind doesn't mean the next guy heard it, but he wouldn't have been any
> more or less likely to have heard it if you had added "any traffic please
> advise".
>
> Adding "any traffic please advise" won't allow him to hear your 
> transmission
> if he missed it because he just switched over from ATC.
>
> Adding "any traffic please advise" won't allow him to hear your 
> transmission
> if he blew a breaker or his radio just quit or became intermittent or if
> your radio isn't even transmitting.
>
> Is it starting to make any sense to you yet?
>
>
>>
>> What is so hard to get about this?
>>
>
> I don't know, you'll have to tell me.
>
>
>>
>> If you want to ignore a request by some other poor dumb schmuck 
>> incometent
>> idiot and take your chances or him killing you then don't say any thing!!
>>
>
> You're missing the point.  Adding "any traffic please advise" will have no
> effect at all on whether I respond or not.  How could it?  It adds nothing
> to the transmission, except the length of it, of course.
>
>
>>
>> Just fly around and ignore him. Who knows?
>> What the hell he probably won't hit you anyway.
>> Do you want to take that chance?
>> Or would you tell the guy where you are?
>>
>
> I'd respond as needed whether or not he added useless phraseology. 
> Wouldn't
> you?
>
>
>>
>> It is up to you I can't require you to do anything.
>>
>
> You finally said something right.
>
>
>>
>> Do what you want. Just sit there silently and REFUSE to answer him.
>>
>> The chances you will collide are infintismaly small.
>>
>
> What are the chances you could activate your spell checker?
>
>
>>
>> As a matter of fact, I have changed my mind and as of now I will require
>> that any body who disagrees with me absolutely refuse to acknowledge any
>> inquiries from any body who shows up at your airport and makes such a
>> stupid request.
>>
>> Ignore him completely.
>> If he hits you. Screw him that's his problem.
>>
>> I am done with this topic.
>> On to better things.
>>
>
> In the interest of aviation safety it would be best if you did not fly.
>
>
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