[f-AA] ### Cleared to Land (was What's going on withthef-AAfamily?)###
roger anderson
11ac at comcast.net
Thu Aug 2 08:07:36 PDT 2007
Actually, and you're probably aware of this already, singles and light twins can both be on the runway at the same time while landing, if minimum separation exists on the runway between them. That and the required distance tables are in 7110.65 chapter 3 under "same runway separation". Many pilots think we have committed an error when we that happens. roger
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From: Spence, Mike
To: aeronca at westmont.edu
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Cleared to Land (was What's going on withthef-AAfamily?)###
When the tower here was about to open in YHM back in 1969, we were all told in a meeting by ATC that "Under No Circumstances Would A Clearance to Land Be Issued to Landing Traffic Until The Preceding A/C was "Clear of The Runway" !!
It was common practice for us to land long for folowing traffic to land short on the 6000' runway- That all came to halt when ATC arrived.
"considerable anxiety in the cockpit" - Been there many times since then.
Mike
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From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of roger anderson
Sent: August 2, 2007 10:45 AM
To: aeronca at westmont.edu
Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Cleared to Land (was What's going on with thef-AAfamily?)###
Hi Mike,
I believe for the full 34 years I was an FAA controller, we used anticipated separation clearances. They worked fine. To withhold a landing clearance until the separation exists can bring an arrival almost over the threshold still with no landing clearance. That can create considerable anxiety in the cockpit.."can I land..or do I have to go around". Also, if a previous landing clearance ends up not working (someone misses and expected turnoff maybe), a "go around" clearance can then be issued. A controller can monitor the situation and if it's not looking good, can prepare the other traffic by telling them to expect a possible go around. Anyhow, bottom line, anticipated separation clearances always worked fine during my time. The ATC manual 7110.65 contains references to this in chapter 3 (control tower operations), 3-9-5 and 3-10-6. roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Spence, Mike
To: aeronca at westmont.edu
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Cleared to Land (was What's going on with the f-AAfamily?)###
List - We've just been discussing, here in the office, our newly implemented, (by our ATS provider, Nav Canada), anticipated "clearances to land " both for VFR and IFR.
Up until this year in Canada, an aircraft on final would not be "Cleared To Land" by ATC, until the preceding aircraft had lifted off or cleared the runway after landing. The 5 most major airports in Canada have implemented the use of anticipated clearances like the U.S. has used for years. Any comments - pro or con?
And for our Australian neighbors...Someone mentioned that you don't use the phrase "Cleared To land". How is is it handled "Down Under" ?
Mike S.
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From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Rafael
Sent: August 2, 2007 9:26 AM
To: aeronca at westmont.edu
Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### What's going on with the f-AA family?###
Do they have magazines? I thught it was a rumor lol, so they work in a different time continium and they can travel back and forth between times...... wish I could do the same same lol
Arecit at aol.com wrote:
Actually- that sounds like a good iddee- turning the ole clock back a few years. Great idea....
Nancie- down in swampville
In a message dated 8/1/2007 5:48:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Joe at Preston-Company.com writes:
I think it was around that time when I received my last one. :>)
I know you are trying Brian, but you just make it so easy for us to yank
your chain....
JP
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From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
[mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of John Baker
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:11 PM
To: aeronca at westmont.edu; Joe at Preston-Company.com
Subject: Re: [f-AA] What's going on with the f-AA family?
Joe,
Just yesterday I received Volume 13, #2, dated "Spring, 2000." Seems that
the NAA operates in an alternate reality where time is on a different
schedule. :) But I can't complain - dues collection seems to be on the same
schedule. It was a nice article by the Poobah and recounts the story many
of us saw online back at the turn of the century.
John B. www.hangar9aeroworks.com
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From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu] On
Behalf Of Joe Preston
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:54 PM
To: aeronca at westmont.edu
Subject: Re: [f-AA] What's going on with the f-AA family?
When did that come out? I can't remember the last time I received one.
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From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
[mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Mike Knemeyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:22 PM
To: aeronca at westmont.edu; jodydeb at earthlink.net
Subject: [f-AA] What's going on with the f-AA family?
John Rodkey, Eric & Tacky
They are on the front & back cover of the latest NAA Magazine Plus a
great story of their flight to the 2006 Middletown, Ohio fly-in.
Mikek
>On 8/1/07, JODY WITTMEYER <jodydeb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>My baby brother just got his Lt. Col. 6 months ago for the USMC. Now he is
>working for Sikorsky, flying their newest big bird.
JODY WITTMEYER
jodydeb at earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cy Galley
> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
> Sent: 8/1/2007 10:47:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fw: TKO NOTICE: A28 eBay Password Reset
> -planesellerFollowInstructions Immediately
>
>
> Congratulations! My daughter got her Lt Col in the Airforce about 5 years
> ago. Had to go to England for the ceremony. Cost abit but I wouldn't have
> missed it nor her retirement ceremony this spring.
>
>
> Again, These are the milestones in anyone's life. Things that make great
> memories.
>
> Congratulations.
>
> Cy Galley - Chair,
> AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
> A 46 Year Service Project of Chapter 75
> EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
> EAA Sport Pilot
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Holmes
> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fw: TKO NOTICE: A28 eBay Password Reset -
> planesellerFollowInstructions Immediately
>
>
> Youngest is getting his Lt Col, USMC promotion and his second bronze star.
> Tom
>
>
> John Rodkey <poobahster at gmail.com> wrote:
> I must have missed this. What's the big ceremony, Tom?
>
>
> On 8/1/07, Tom Holmes <thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> Did you follow the "forgot your password?" route?? You may have to call
> email) their help desk to sort it out.
> Tom, off to the big ceremony in a couple of minutes.
>
> planeseller < steubers at theunion.net> wrote:
> The bad news is that I cannot access my account, it comes up with an
invalid
> password. Now what coach?
>
> --
> John (poobah) Rodkey - N9361E 11AC at Goleta
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