[f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven hasnew informationfor us!

[E. O. Lake]

Allow a gratuitous intrusion here, gang.

Joe's last post (see below) is exactly the kind of post that makes this list
so rich and valuable an education. It's the voice of solid, versatile,
up-to-date experience -- the kind you can bank on and commit to your own
personal fund of vital information.

Ed 





-----Original Message-----
From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu] On
Behalf Of joeaksa at attglobal.net
Sent: August 4, 2007 5:19 AM
To: aeronca at westmont.edu
Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven hasnew informationfor
us!

Mike,

Anticipated clearances is a whole different kettle of fish. I landed in
Paris last night 
and was cleared to land a long way out. There were 6 aircraft in front of me
for the 
approach but every one of them was clear of the active runway, the one we
all 
landed on, before I actually touched down. The night before in London I was
3rd in 
line for the landing when cleared but again, the runway was clear before I
touched 
down. 

Steven evidently has some information that I hope he shares with us that
shows that 
its legal to have two airplanes on the same active runway at the same time, 
something that is not done anywhere in the world that I know of outside of
military 
operations. 

Considering that you are with TC, what is the TC view of more than one
airplane on 
the runway at one time? I landed in Dorval (Montreal) 10 days ago and was
asked to 
expedite clearing the runway so that the airplane behind me could land. It
sure 
seems that in Canada they want only one airplane on the runway at a time.

Thx,

Joe A

On 3 Aug 2007 at 21:48, Spence, Mike wrote:

> And hence, have we come full circle here - anticipated clearances... 

> Clearing an aircraft to land on a runway that has one clearing, one over
the 
> numbers, one on a mile final, and I'm "cleared to land" with the traffic
on final in 
> sight, as I turn the base. Now everyone has been "Cleared to Land".
>  
> Mike S.
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu on behalf of joeaksa at attglobal.net
> Sent: Fri 8/3/2007 3:47 PM
> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
> Cc: roncachamp at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven has new
informationfor us!
> 
> Steven,
> 
> In 37 years of flying and over 15,000 hours in airplanes this is the first
time I have
> ever had anyone tell me that its ok to land with another airplane still on
the runway.
> 
> Military applications aside, from what Roger posted earlier as well as my
experience
> around the world, its illegal for the control tower staff to approve a
landing of a jet
> airplane on a runway with another airplane still on the same runway.
> 
> Can you pls give us clarification on where you get this information so
that we can
> pass it along to the control towers. I fly planes for a living and did not
know, nor have
> ever had anyone clear me to land (in the civilian world that is) with a
second airplane
> on the runway. They must be missing something in the regulations that you
need to
> point out to them!
> 
> Joe A
> 
> On 3 Aug 2007 at 6:26, Steven  P. McNicoll wrote:
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> 
> > If you have an aversion to landing while there is still another airplane
on
> > the runway, then you should avoid airports with control towers, period.


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