[f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven hasnew informationfor us!

[Steven P. McNicoll]

Joe,

Over ten years of active participation in several Usenet pilot forums have 
revealed two absolute truths to me:

1.)  Many pilots believe they have a solid understanding of ATC procedures.

2.)  Few pilots actually have a solid understanding of ATC procedures.


Steven P. McNicoll
De Pere, WI

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Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven hasnew informationfor 
us!


> Mike,
>
> Anticipated clearances is a whole different kettle of fish. I landed in 
> Paris last night
> and was cleared to land a long way out. There were 6 aircraft in front of 
> me for the
> approach but every one of them was clear of the active runway, the one we 
> all
> landed on, before I actually touched down. The night before in London I 
> was 3rd in
> line for the landing when cleared but again, the runway was clear before I 
> touched
> down.
>
> Steven evidently has some information that I hope he shares with us that 
> shows that
> its legal to have two airplanes on the same active runway at the same 
> time,
> something that is not done anywhere in the world that I know of outside of 
> military
> operations.
>
> Considering that you are with TC, what is the TC view of more than one 
> airplane on
> the runway at one time? I landed in Dorval (Montreal) 10 days ago and was 
> asked to
> expedite clearing the runway so that the airplane behind me could land. It 
> sure
> seems that in Canada they want only one airplane on the runway at a time.
>
> Thx,
>
> Joe A
>
> On 3 Aug 2007 at 21:48, Spence, Mike wrote:
>
>> And hence, have we come full circle here - anticipated clearances...
>
>> Clearing an aircraft to land on a runway that has one clearing, one over 
>> the
>> numbers, one on a mile final, and I'm "cleared to land" with the traffic 
>> on final in
>> sight, as I turn the base. Now everyone has been "Cleared to Land".
>>
>> Mike S.
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu on behalf of joeaksa at attglobal.net
>> Sent: Fri 8/3/2007 3:47 PM
>> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>> Cc: roncachamp at earthlink.net
>> Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven has new 
>> informationfor us!
>>
>> Steven,
>>
>> In 37 years of flying and over 15,000 hours in airplanes this is the 
>> first time I have
>> ever had anyone tell me that its ok to land with another airplane still 
>> on the runway.
>>
>> Military applications aside, from what Roger posted earlier as well as my 
>> experience
>> around the world, its illegal for the control tower staff to approve a 
>> landing of a jet
>> airplane on a runway with another airplane still on the same runway.
>>
>> Can you pls give us clarification on where you get this information so 
>> that we can
>> pass it along to the control towers. I fly planes for a living and did 
>> not know, nor have
>> ever had anyone clear me to land (in the civilian world that is) with a 
>> second airplane
>> on the runway. They must be missing something in the regulations that you 
>> need to
>> point out to them!
>>
>> Joe A
>>
>> On 3 Aug 2007 at 6:26, Steven  P. McNicoll wrote:
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> > If you have an aversion to landing while there is still another 
>> > airplane on
>> > the runway, then you should avoid airports with control towers, period.
>
>
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