[f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven hasnew informationfor us!

[joeaksa at attglobal.net]

Steven,

Considering that my copilot right now is a retired FAA ATC type, and he feels the 
same way that I do that two airplanes are NEVER allowed on the same runway 
during takeoff or landing, especially when it involves jet aircraft, believe that we have 
the "ATC procedures" part covered on this end.

I would not consider "Usenet pilot forums" one of the best sources of information. 
The vast majority of the people there are recreational pilots who do not fly for a living. 

My copilot has a fairly solid understanding of FAA ATC procedures, learned after 30 
years of working in the system. Are you an FAA ATC type, active or retired? 

Joe A

On 4 Aug 2007 at 12:04, Steven  P. McNicoll wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> Over ten years of active participation in several Usenet pilot forums have 
> revealed two absolute truths to me:
> 
> 1.)  Many pilots believe they have a solid understanding of ATC procedures.
> 
> 2.)  Few pilots actually have a solid understanding of ATC procedures.
> 
> 
> Steven P. McNicoll
> De Pere, WI
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <joeaksa at attglobal.net>
> To: <aeronca at westmont.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 4:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven hasnew informationfor 
> us!
> 
> 
> > Mike,
> >
> > Anticipated clearances is a whole different kettle of fish. I landed in 
> > Paris last night
> > and was cleared to land a long way out. There were 6 aircraft in front of 
> > me for the
> > approach but every one of them was clear of the active runway, the one we 
> > all
> > landed on, before I actually touched down. The night before in London I 
> > was 3rd in
> > line for the landing when cleared but again, the runway was clear before I 
> > touched
> > down.
> >
> > Steven evidently has some information that I hope he shares with us that 
> > shows that
> > its legal to have two airplanes on the same active runway at the same 
> > time,
> > something that is not done anywhere in the world that I know of outside of 
> > military
> > operations.
> >
> > Considering that you are with TC, what is the TC view of more than one 
> > airplane on
> > the runway at one time? I landed in Dorval (Montreal) 10 days ago and was 
> > asked to
> > expedite clearing the runway so that the airplane behind me could land. It 
> > sure
> > seems that in Canada they want only one airplane on the runway at a time.
> >
> > Thx,
> >
> > Joe A
> >
> > On 3 Aug 2007 at 21:48, Spence, Mike wrote:
> >
> >> And hence, have we come full circle here - anticipated clearances...
> >
> >> Clearing an aircraft to land on a runway that has one clearing, one over 
> >> the
> >> numbers, one on a mile final, and I'm "cleared to land" with the traffic 
> >> on final in
> >> sight, as I turn the base. Now everyone has been "Cleared to Land".
> >>
> >> Mike S.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu on behalf of joeaksa at attglobal.net
> >> Sent: Fri 8/3/2007 3:47 PM
> >> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
> >> Cc: roncachamp at earthlink.net
> >> Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven has new 
> >> informationfor us!
> >>
> >> Steven,
> >>
> >> In 37 years of flying and over 15,000 hours in airplanes this is the 
> >> first time I have
> >> ever had anyone tell me that its ok to land with another airplane still 
> >> on the runway.
> >>
> >> Military applications aside, from what Roger posted earlier as well as my 
> >> experience
> >> around the world, its illegal for the control tower staff to approve a 
> >> landing of a jet
> >> airplane on a runway with another airplane still on the same runway.
> >>
> >> Can you pls give us clarification on where you get this information so 
> >> that we can
> >> pass it along to the control towers. I fly planes for a living and did 
> >> not know, nor have
> >> ever had anyone clear me to land (in the civilian world that is) with a 
> >> second airplane
> >> on the runway. They must be missing something in the regulations that you 
> >> need to
> >> point out to them!
> >>
> >> Joe A
> >>
> >> On 3 Aug 2007 at 6:26, Steven  P. McNicoll wrote:
> >>
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> > If you have an aversion to landing while there is still another 
> >> > airplane on
> >> > the runway, then you should avoid airports with control towers, period.
> >
> >
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