[f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven has new informationfor us!
Markl
markl at intercom.net
Mon Aug 6 14:36:24 PDT 2007
Dear Steven
How about sparing about 300 of us and carrying on this conversation OFF list.
Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
and practice strange stuff !
Regards,
Tony Markl
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven P. McNicoll
To: aeronca at westmont.edu
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven has new informationfor us!
Joe,
Sounds like you determined it isn't practiced at any of the airports that
you go to the same way you determined that two airplanes are NEVER allowed
on the same runway during takeoff or landing. Since the latter
determination turned out to be wrong don't you think it proper to question
the method that led you to it?
Steven P. McNicoll
De Pere, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: <joeaksa at attglobal.net>
To: <aeronca at westmont.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven hasnew information
for us!
> How do I know if its not practiced at any of the airports I fly into pray
> tell? I open my
> eyes when I am flying into and out of airports around the world, none of
> which have
> allowed two aircraft on the same runway when I am taking off or landing
> there. I can
> see what is being done with my aircraft and the others around me.
>
> Tell you what Steven, I will be the adult here and stop the discussion
> now. From the
> comments that I have received off list about this you might take the hint
> and do the
> same thing. Continuing will only reinforce the feeling that many people
> have about
> people working in the control tower's these days.
>
> This is my last post on this thread.
>
> Joe A
>
>
> On 6 Aug 2007 at 5:02, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <joeaksa at attglobal.net>
>> To: <aeronca at westmont.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Was Cleared to Land now Steven has new
>> information
>> for us!
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Sorry but Joe never said that. Roger is correct. I said that I have
>> > never
>> > been at an airport (other than military ops) where they allowed two
>> > airplanes on the runway at the same time.
>> >
>>
>> The quote was copied and pasted from a message sent by
>> joeaksa at attglobal.net
>> on 8/4/07 at 10:20:23 PDT with signature "Joe A". Check the archives:
>>
>> http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/aeronca/2007-August/083856.html
>>
>> If Joe didn't say it then someone is posing as Joe.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > You acted like I was "round the bend" saying this and that I "should
>> > never
>> > visit an airport with a control tower" if I was not ready to experience
>> > this.
>> >
>>
>> I never said those things. I said, "If you have an aversion to landing
>> while there is still another airplane on the runway, then you should
>> avoid
>> airports with control towers, period." I'll certainly stand by that
>> statement.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Considering that I fly for a living and pretty much live at airports
>> > with
>> > control
>> > towers and have NEVER seen two airplanes, not to mention jet airplanes,
>> > on
>> > the same runway at the same time, this is very interesting. While it
>> > may
>> > be
>> > legal in the books, its not practiced at any of the airports that I go
>> > to
>> > and
>> > that's only about 300 different airports around the world in a year. As
>> > well
>> > my Aeronca is based at DVT, the 3rd busiest general aviation airport in
>> > the
>> > US and its not allowed there. Wonder what I am missing?
>> >
>>
>> How do you know it isn't practiced at any of the airports that you go to?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > How about we take this off list. Its not an Aeronca subject and I have
>> > had
>> > several people email me and say that they have had enough of this
>> > subject.
>> > The rest of their comments I cannot post but was sure glad to get their
>> > emails.
>> >
>>
>> I see no reason to take this discussion off list. It's certainly an
>> Aeronca
>> subject as Aeroncas are operated at controlled fields.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Joe
>> > (who has landed in Chicago, Montreal, Teterboro, Atlanta, Boston,
>> > London
>> > Luton, Freetown Sierra Leone, London Farnborough, Paris, London
>> > Farnborough again, Cairo Egypt, Livingstone Zambia and Johannesburg in
>> > the last two weeks. Next is Male in the Maledive islands South of
>> > India,
>> > Dubai
>> > then back to London and then Boston, Vancouver and hopefully Phoenix)
>> >
>> > On 5 Aug 2007 at 11:12, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't think so. Joe wrote, among other similar statements;
>> >> "Considering
>> >> that my copilot right now is a retired FAA ATC type, and he feels the
>> >> same
>> >> way that I do that two airplanes are NEVER allowed on the same runway
>> >> during
>> >> takeoff or landing, especially when it involves jet aircraft, believe
>> >> that
>> >> we have the 'ATC procedures' part covered on this end." Joe is saying
>> >> an
>> >> airplane cannot be cleared to land with another airplane still on the
>> >> runway
>> >> regardless of the type of airplanes involved.
>> >>
>> >> Steven P. McNicoll
>> >> De Pere, WI
>> >>
>>
>>
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