[f-AA] ### Cleared to Land (was What's going on with the f-AAfamily?)###
Fred Steadman
fstead at mac.com
Mon Aug 6 17:59:00 PDT 2007
Glider pilots run a double risk if they lose sight of the tow plane.
In addition to a possible collision, there is the possibility of
hanging the tow plane from the glider's nose. Any glider has enough
wing power to win a tug of war with any tow plane's tail, so that if
the glider out climbs the tow plane the tow plane can end up pointing
straight down. This is very harrowing, especially close to the
ground.
With the old style Swietzer tow hooks it is possible to experience a
situation where neither of the aircraft can release from the tow line.
In that case the glider ends up following the tow plane into the
ground. I don't think anybody uses those on the tow plane end
anymore.
Fred Steadman
Irving, Texas
214 762 6376
fstead at mac.com
On Aug 2, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Jerry Eichenberger wrote:
> Mike -
>
> We don't allow formation landings unless the pilots request the same.
> There's a huge difference between landing two airplanes 6,000 feet
> apart on
> the same runway, especially when they are relatively slow GA
> airplanes, and
> trying a formation landing with fighters.
>
> Formation work is difficult, and inherently dangerous, especially
> close to
> the ground where the margin for error approaches zero.
>
> One of the cardinal rules about formation flying is that if one in
> trail of
> the leader or otherwise behind him, loses sight of the leader, get out
> of
> there right away. Break off, and re-join later.
>
> Even glider pilots are taught that if they ever lose sight of the tow
> plane,
> pull the release NOW. Actually, flying a glider on tow is somewhat
> like
> formation flying.
>
> Jerry E.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
> [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Spence, Mike
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:21 PM
> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
> Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Cleared to Land (was What's going on with the
> f-AAfamily?)###
>
>
> Speaking of more than one on the runway at the same time...Have you
> seen the
> Mustang incident at OSH video?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
> [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Ian Harvie
> Sent: August 2, 2007 1:13 PM
> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
> Subject: Re: [f-AA] ### Cleared to Land (was What's going on with the
> f-AA family?)###
>
>
> Mike, I'll let Don answer that as I now days rarely fly into towered
> airports, however "cleared to land " was in common usage in South
> Africa
> when I flew there and it was not uncommon to have one on the runway in
> front although I think a phrase such as "continue your approach" might
> have been used in some circumstances, then "cleared to land" when the
> runway was clear.
> I do remember several times at air shows when it got busy, applying
> quite some brake with the tail still up in the Stinson when I was
> catching up on then guy in front. (This wasn't so difficult in the
> Stinson if you knew what you were doing)
> I do agree that with light aircraft there should be no problem with
> someone in front as you should always be ready to go round.
>
> Woke up, must be jet lag from arriving back, its 0300 in the morning
> here.
>
> Ian
>
> Spence, Mike wrote:
>> List - We've just been discussing, here in the office, our newly
>> implemented, (by our ATS provider, Nav Canada), anticipated
>> "clearances
>> to land " both for VFR and IFR.
>> Up until this year in Canada, an aircraft on final would not be
>> "Cleared
>> To Land" by ATC, until the preceding aircraft had lifted off or
>> cleared
>> the runway after landing. The 5 most major airports in Canada have
>> implemented the use of anticipated clearances like the U.S. has used
>> for
>> years. Any comments - pro or con?
>>
>> And for our Australian neighbors...Someone mentioned that you don't
>> use
>> the phrase "Cleared To land". How is is it handled "Down Under" ?
>>
>> Mike S.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
>> [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]*On Behalf Of *Rafael
>> *Sent:* August 2, 2007 9:26 AM
>> *To:* aeronca at westmont.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [f-AA] ### What's going on with the f-AA family?###
>>
>> Do they have magazines? I thught it was a rumor lol, so they work
>> in
>> a different time continium and they can travel back and forth
>> between times...... wish I could do the same same lol
>>
>> */Arecit at aol.com/* wrote:
>>
>> Actually- that sounds like a good iddee- turning the ole clock
>> back a few years. Great idea....
>>
>> Nancie- down in swampville
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/1/2007 5:48:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>> Time,
>> Joe at Preston-Company.com writes:
>>
>> I* think it was around that time when I received my last
>> one. :>)
>> I know you are trying Brian, but you just make it so easy
>> for us to yank
>> your chain....
>> JP
>> *
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
>> [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of John
>> Baker
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:11 PM
>> To: aeronca at westmont.edu; Joe at Preston-Company.com
>> Subject: Re: [f-AA] What's going on with the f-AA family?
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Just yesterday I received Volume 13, #2, dated "Spring,
>> 2000." Seems that
>> the NAA operates in an alternate reality where time is on
>> a
>> different
>> schedule. :) But I can't complain - dues collection seems
>> to be on the same
>> schedule. It was a nice article by the Poobah and
>> recounts
>> the story many
>> of us saw online back at the turn of the century.
>>
>> John B. www.hangar9aeroworks.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
>> [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Preston
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:54 PM
>> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>> Subject: Re: [f-AA] What's going on with the f-AA family?
>>
>> When did that come out? I can't remember the last time I
>> received one.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
>> [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Mike
> Knemeyer
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:22 PM
>> To: aeronca at westmont.edu; jodydeb at earthlink.net
>> Subject: [f-AA] What's going on with the f-AA family?
>>
>>
>> John Rodkey, Eric & Tacky
>>
>> They are on the front & back cover of the latest NAA
>> Magazine Plus a
>> great story of their flight to the 2006 Middletown, Ohio
> fly-in.
>>
>> Mikek
>>
>>
>>> On 8/1/07, JODY WITTMEYER <jodydeb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> My baby brother just got his Lt. Col. 6 months ago for the
>> USMC. Now he is
>>> working for Sikorsky, flying their newest big bird.
>>
>> JODY WITTMEYER
>> jodydeb at earthlink.net
>> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cy Galley
>>> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>>> Sent: 8/1/2007 10:47:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fw: TKO NOTICE: A28 eBay Password Reset
>>> -planesellerFollowInstructions Immediately
>>>
>>>
>>> Congratulations! My daughter got her Lt Col in the
>> Airforce about 5 years
>>> ago. Had to go to England for the ceremony. Cost abit
>> but I wouldn't have
>>> missed it nor her retirement ceremony this spring.
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, These are the milestones in anyone's life. Things
>> that make great
>>> memories.
>>>
>>> Congratulations.
>>>
>>> Cy Galley - Chair,
>>> AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
>>> A 46 Year Service Project of Chapter 75
>>> EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
>>> EAA Sport Pilot
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tom Holmes
>>> To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fw: TKO NOTICE: A28 eBay Password
> Reset -
>>> planesellerFollowInstructions Immediately
>>>
>>>
>>> Youngest is getting his Lt Col, USMC promotion and his
>> second bronze star.
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> John Rodkey <poobahster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I must have missed this. What's the big ceremony, Tom?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/1/07, Tom Holmes <thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net >
>> wrote:
>>> Did you follow the "forgot your password?" route?? You
>> may have to call
>>> email) their help desk to sort it out.
>>> Tom, off to the big ceremony in a couple of minutes.
>>>
>>> planeseller < steubers at theunion.net> wrote:
>>> The bad news is that I cannot access my account, it comes
>> up with an
>> invalid
>>> password. Now what coach?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John (poobah) Rodkey - N9361E 11AC at Goleta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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