[f-AA] Aeronca Digest, Vol 52, Issue 10

Jim Dent l3cpilot at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 7 12:17:06 PDT 2007


Hi All, Does anyone know where I can get a gas cap for my L3C
I want the one with the pressure tube on it. Spruce does not have any.

Jim

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>    1. Re: (no subject) (dennis biro)
>    2. Re: gascolator parts (Scott Johnson)
>    3. Re: Fuel tank grommets (dennis biro)
>    4. dataplate (WAYNE KESTER)
>    5. Re: (no subject) (Markl)
>    6. Re: (no subject) (Rob Murphy)
>    7. Re: ###computer question (Tom Holmes)
>    8. Re: (no subject) (Tom Holmes)
>    9. Re: Fuel tank grommets (Joe Preston)
>   10. Re: (no subject) (Cy Galley)
>   11. Re: (no subject) (dennis biro)
>   12. Re: ###computer question (roger anderson)
>   13. Re: Door seal-hinges (Joe Preston)
>   14. Re: ###computer question (joeaksa at attglobal.net)
>   15. Re: OSH (E. O. Lake)
>   16. Re: ###computer question (Fred Steadman)
>From: "dennis biro" <ltaav8r at bluemarble.net>
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>Tony, I bought some aeronca door seal from you several months ago, and 
>forgot how it was to be installed, now that I am ready to install the 
>rubber seal, I forgot what direction the vee is to point ???? can you 
>refresh my memory??? dennis biro
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:markl at intercom.net>Markl
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:10 PM
>Subject: [f-AA] (no subject)
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>Dear List
>Do we have any folks in NM who would give a tailwheel ride to an Air Force 
>guy.??  Not me.
>
>Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
>and practice strange stuff !
>Regards,
>Tony Markl
>
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>Subject: Re: [f-AA] gascolator parts
>Message: 2
>
>Hi Larry,
>
>You may want to check with Cleveland tools or Avery.  Both make bits for the
>RV aircraft and it seems like I recall them making one.  Of course
>certified, PMA blah blah blah........
>
>Scott
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu] On
>Behalf Of Joe Preston
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:44 PM
>To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] gascolator parts
>
>Hi Larry,
>I may have one you can have. I will check tonight.
>Speaking of gascolators, as timing has it, I bought one of Steve's
>gascolators and it arrived today. All I can say is WOW. What a finely
>worked, beautifully crafted  unit. It looks so nice, I am not sure whether I
>should put on my airplane or in my collection of things to show off...
>Also bought his stainless mounting bracket.
>Now if only we can find someone to make a stainless cabin heater valve, the
>threat of fire coming inside, would be greatly reduced....
>JP
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
>[mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Larry Huntley
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:04 AM
>To: aeronca
>Subject: [f-AA] gascolator parts
>
>
>Anyone have a bail for the old Latour gascolator they would be willing to
>sell?  I have the metal top , the metal bottom,and the glass cylinder,but
>the bail was lost someplace. Any help will be gratefully appreciated.
>                                                                     Larry
>Huntley
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>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:26:23 -0400
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>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
>Message: 3
>
>why do you want to gut it off at all?? they are made to fit between the 
>sheet medal, mine fit just perfect!! by the way, I bought the fuel grommet 
>from aircraft spruce, when they were selling them under aircoupe parts, 
>they cost about $8.00 than, I thank?? dennis biro
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Preston" <Joe at Preston-Company.com>
>To: <aeronca at westmont.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
>
>
>>This was from an old thread. Sorry for the long delay in replying. I have
>>attached a photo of the John Deere fuel tank grommet. It is PN R82873.
>>It needs to be modified by cutting off the bottom half so it will lay flat
>>on the surface of the boot cowl or wing. It is a regular grommet where it
>>has a cut out in the middle for sheet metal and rubber on both sides of it.
>>I tried to cut off the bottom by sanding it off and I took too much of the
>>top part with it. I guess the next way would be to just cut it with a hack
>>saw or maybe a razor knife.
>>JoeP
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
>>[mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Ian Harvie
>>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:34 PM
>>To: aeronca at westmont.edu; Joe at Preston-Company.com
>>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
>>
>>
>>Joe, I'll try the local John Deer agents and see what they have to say.
>>
>>Ian
>>
>>Joe Preston wrote:
>>>Hi Ian,
>>>When I was at SNF, I saw a nice Champ that had a grommet around his main
>>>tank in the nose that had the word Fuel in raised letters around it. I
>>asked
>>>where he got it and he said it came from a John Deere 3020 tractor. I have
>>>started to look into it but haven't had the time to pick one up. I did
>>find
>>>a part number that might be the one. If someone has easy access to a parts
>>>supplier and can check it out, that would be helpful.
>>>PN - R27183
>>>He also said it had to be cut in half to make it fit. It sure looked good
>>>though.
>>>Also an FYI, I believe I read this in one of Lasher's books, but it said
>>to
>>>be careful that the top of the gasket does not block the lower vent of the
>>>cap. That is if you have a lower venting cap. If you use one of the toilet
>>>seat versions, some of them have a raised lip that looks like it might
>>need
>>>to be cut down.
>>>JoeP
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
>>>[mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Ian Harvie
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:52 AM
>>>To: Aeronca e mail list
>>>Subject: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
>>>
>>>
>>>Has anyone got a source for the rubber grommets used around the filler
>>>neck on the main and reserve tank on the Chief. Can't see any in the
>>>Spruce catalog, or my Wag-Aero (but it's a bit old)
>>>
>>>Ian
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>From: "WAYNE KESTER" <orbitsrus at msn.com>
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>Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:35:24 -0700
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>Subject: [f-AA] dataplate
>Message: 4
>
>Hello, still trying to get all the t's crossed and i's dotted on import of 
>11AC Chief from Canada (week 13).
>The DAR is not familiar with the location of the dataplate, which was 
>found in the glove box, glad it was the original one... The A&P thinks it 
>may go on the firewall....
>Anyone know where it is supposed to be located?
>Thanks, this site has been a great help so far.
>Wayne
>N46WR
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>Dear Dennis
>Sorry but I believe you have the wrong person.  I don't have door seal.
>
>Regards
>Tony  Markl
><mailto:markl at intercom.net>markl at intercom.net
>www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com
>(fabric work/ tailwheel training -  taught or done at your location)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:ltaav8r at bluemarble.net>dennis biro
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Tony, I bought some aeronca door seal from you several months ago, and 
>forgot how it was to be installed, now that I am ready to install the 
>rubber seal, I forgot what direction the vee is to point ???? can you 
>refresh my memory??? dennis biro
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:markl at intercom.net>Markl
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:10 PM
>Subject: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Dear List
>Do we have any folks in NM who would give a tailwheel ride to an Air Force 
>guy.??  Not me.
>
>Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
>and practice strange stuff !
>Regards,
>Tony Markl
>
>
>
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>Message: 6
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>Dennis, I bought mine from Bill Pancake
.I don’t remember either..!!
>
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>From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu] 
>On Behalf Of dennis biro
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:19 AM
>To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Tony, I bought some aeronca door seal from you several months ago, and 
>forgot how it was to be installed, now that I am ready to install the 
>rubber seal, I forgot what direction the vee is to point ???? can you 
>refresh my memory??? dennis biro
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:markl at intercom.net>Markl
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:10 PM
>Subject: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Dear List
>Do we have any folks in NM who would give a tailwheel ride to an Air Force 
>guy.??  Not me.
>
>Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
>and practice strange stuff !
>Regards,
>Tony Markl
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:39:28 -0700 (PDT)
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>Subject: Re: [f-AA] ###computer question
>Message: 7
>
>Joe,
>I also burn a CD about once a month.  Spent too many years recovering 
>stuff for folks as it is.  I am going to get an external drive.  That 
>sounds pretty easy.
>Tom
>
>joeaksa at attglobal.net wrote:
>Tom, Tom, Tom...
>
>Please do not make backups! It ruins things when later on the hard drive 
>crashes
>and you try to recover everything! :)
>
>Seriously, and for everyone on the list, the new generation of USB 
>external hard
>drives are so cheap these days that its well worth buying one. You can 
>find a 250 gig
>drive for about $100, and you just plug it in and its up and running. I 
>back up
>everything on two of these I have, as well as two other computers, so 
>losing data is a
>thing of the past for me. As well I try to backup everything on the same 
>day, say
>Friday or Saturday every week and turn the system on, start copying 
>everything over,
>then make lunch or dinner and it just chugs away while I am busy elsewhere.
>
>Glad it worked and glad to help!
>
>Take care,
>
>Joe
>
>On 6 Aug 2007 at 21:52, Tom Holmes wrote:
>
> >
> > It appears that I had wiped out the shared folder on the laptop. 
> Reestablished that and things
> > started working again. I followed Joe's instructions and stuff appeared 
> just as predicted, with the
> > newly named folder on the laptop. Did a backup to the laptop and put it 
> away for now. I only
> > break it out on trips out of town so it doesn't get used much anymore. 
> The Macs don't even get
> > turned on!! Like most things we learn, use it or lose it.
> > thx immensely to you both,
> > Tom
> >
> > John Rodkey wrote:
> > For a shared drive to be visible, it needs to be shared first (duh), 
> which can be done by
> > going to a folder in question, right clicking on that folder, selecting 
> 'Sharing and Security'
> > and checking on the 'share this folder' checkbox.
> >
> > You'll also see a link at the bottom to Windows Firewall, which is 
> probably set to block file
> > sharing unless that has been changed since initial install.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On 8/6/07, joeaksa at attglobal.net wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > Right click on the "start" button and open Windows Explorer. Once open 
> do you see
> > the hard drives on the "other" computer? If not then go to the "tools" 
> icon at the top
> > of
> > the window and left click on it. Go down to the "map network drive" 
> icon. Once that
> > opens you will have a new smaller window open and it says "drive" and 
> "folder"...
> >
> > What does it say when you click on the arrow on the right side of the 
> "drive" icon?
> > Do
> > you see any of the other drives from the other computer?
> >
> > Check this and get back to us.
> >
> > Thx,
> >
> > joe
> >
> > On 6 Aug 2007 at 0:08, Tom Holmes wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have a PC and a laptop, both running windows XP on a router. I have 
> managed
> > to crater some
> > > part of my ability to share files between them. I had an attack of 
> neatness and now
> > need to
> > > reestablish my ability to transfer files and am drawing a near blank. 
> Guidance will
> > be
> > > appreciated!!
> > > Tom, feeling pretty dumb at the moment!!
> >
> >
> >
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>Dennis,
>the door seal was from Bill Pancake.  The Vee points forward.
>Tom
>
>Markl <markl at intercom.net> wrote:
>Dear Dennis
>Sorry but I believe you have the wrong person.  I don't have door seal.
>
>Regards
>Tony  Markl
><mailto:markl at intercom.net>markl at intercom.net
>www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com
>(fabric work/ tailwheel training -  taught or done at your location)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:ltaav8r at bluemarble.net>dennis biro
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Tony, I bought some aeronca door seal from you several months ago, and 
>forgot how it was to be installed, now that I am ready to install the 
>rubber seal, I forgot what direction the vee is to point ???? can you 
>refresh my memory??? dennis biro
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:markl at intercom.net>Markl
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:10 PM
>Subject: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Dear List
>Do we have any folks in NM who would give a tailwheel ride to an Air Force 
>guy.??  Not me.
>
>Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
>and practice strange stuff !
>Regards,
>Tony Markl
>
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
>Message: 9
>
>I was mostly referring to the wings where it needs to be fared in better. I
>have two wing tanks that need to be done.
>As for the boot cowl, I have not looked into it in great detail yet, but I
>believe there may not be enough room underneath for the thickness of the
>bottom of the grommet. Slight sanding may do the job though. Will take a
>closer look once the boot cowl gets done.
>Got the inst panel just about finished last night. Bought a new one from
>WAG, but it didn't have any screw holes in it. It took a while to get them
>in right along with the existing panel mount screw holes. Boot cowl's
>next....
>JP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
>[mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of dennis biro
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:26 AM
>To: aeronca at westmont.edu; Joe at Preston-Company.com
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
>
>
>why do you want to gut it off at all?? they are made to fit between the
>sheet medal, mine fit just perfect!! by the way, I bought the fuel grommet
>from aircraft spruce, when they were selling them under aircoupe parts, they
>cost about $8.00 than, I thank?? dennis biro
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe Preston" <Joe at Preston-Company.com>
>To: <aeronca at westmont.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
>
>
> > This was from an old thread. Sorry for the long delay in replying. I have
> > attached a photo of the John Deere fuel tank grommet. It is PN R82873.
> > It needs to be modified by cutting off the bottom half so it will lay flat
> > on the surface of the boot cowl or wing. It is a regular grommet where it
> > has a cut out in the middle for sheet metal and rubber on both sides of
> > it.
> > I tried to cut off the bottom by sanding it off and I took too much of the
> > top part with it. I guess the next way would be to just cut it with a hack
> > saw or maybe a razor knife.
> > JoeP
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
> > [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Ian Harvie
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:34 PM
> > To: aeronca at westmont.edu; Joe at Preston-Company.com
> > Subject: Re: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
> >
> >
> > Joe, I'll try the local John Deer agents and see what they have to say.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > Joe Preston wrote:
> >> Hi Ian,
> >> When I was at SNF, I saw a nice Champ that had a grommet around his main
> >> tank in the nose that had the word Fuel in raised letters around it. I
> > asked
> >> where he got it and he said it came from a John Deere 3020 tractor. I
> >> have
> >> started to look into it but haven't had the time to pick one up. I did
> > find
> >> a part number that might be the one. If someone has easy access to a
> >> parts
> >> supplier and can check it out, that would be helpful.
> >> PN - R27183
> >> He also said it had to be cut in half to make it fit. It sure looked good
> >> though.
> >> Also an FYI, I believe I read this in one of Lasher's books, but it said
> > to
> >> be careful that the top of the gasket does not block the lower vent of
> >> the
> >> cap. That is if you have a lower venting cap. If you use one of the
> >> toilet
> >> seat versions, some of them have a raised lip that looks like it might
> > need
> >> to be cut down.
> >> JoeP
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu
> >> [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On Behalf Of Ian Harvie
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:52 AM
> >> To: Aeronca e mail list
> >> Subject: [f-AA] Fuel tank grommets
> >>
> >>
> >> Has anyone got a source for the rubber grommets used around the filler
> >> neck on the main and reserve tank on the Chief. Can't see any in the
> >> Spruce catalog, or my Wag-Aero (but it's a bit old)
> >>
> >> Ian
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>From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley at qcbc.org>
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>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:01:00 -0500
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>Message: 10
>
>On all places of the door?  Might be better if you describe it as 
>V  pointing IN or OUT.
>
>Cy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net>Tom Holmes
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Dennis,
>the door seal was from Bill Pancake.  The Vee points forward.
>Tom
>
>Markl <<mailto:markl at intercom.net>markl at intercom.net> wrote:
>Dear Dennis
>Sorry but I believe you have the wrong person.  I don't have door seal.
>
>Regards
>Tony  Markl
><mailto:markl at intercom.net>markl at intercom.net
>www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com
>(fabric work/ tailwheel training -  taught or done at your location)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:ltaav8r at bluemarble.net>dennis biro
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Tony, I bought some aeronca door seal from you several months ago, and 
>forgot how it was to be installed, now that I am ready to install the 
>rubber seal, I forgot what direction the vee is to point ???? can you 
>refresh my memory??? dennis biro
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:markl at intercom.net>Markl
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:10 PM
>Subject: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Dear List
>Do we have any folks in NM who would give a tailwheel ride to an Air Force 
>guy.??  Not me.
>
>Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
>and practice strange stuff !
>Regards,
>Tony Markl
>
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>From: "dennis biro" <ltaav8r at bluemarble.net>
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>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:20:18 -0400
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>
>OK, the vee points to the outside of the door, ALL the way around !! 
>right?? denis
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net>Tom Holmes
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Dennis,
>the door seal was from Bill Pancake.  The Vee points forward.
>Tom
>
>Markl <<mailto:markl at intercom.net>markl at intercom.net> wrote:
>Dear Dennis
>Sorry but I believe you have the wrong person.  I don't have door seal.
>
>Regards
>Tony  Markl
><mailto:markl at intercom.net>markl at intercom.net
>www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com
>(fabric work/ tailwheel training -  taught or done at your location)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:ltaav8r at bluemarble.net>dennis biro
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Tony, I bought some aeronca door seal from you several months ago, and 
>forgot how it was to be installed, now that I am ready to install the 
>rubber seal, I forgot what direction the vee is to point ???? can you 
>refresh my memory??? dennis biro
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:markl at intercom.net>Markl
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:10 PM
>Subject: [f-AA] (no subject)
>
>Dear List
>Do we have any folks in NM who would give a tailwheel ride to an Air Force 
>guy.??  Not me.
>
>Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
>and practice strange stuff !
>Regards,
>Tony Markl
>
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:21:34 -0500
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>Message: 12
>
>I highly recommend an external harddrive.  I got a 160 gig for about $69 I 
>think.  After I back up, I just unplug it so it's not part of the system 
>and subject to lightning strikes, etc.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net>Tom Holmes
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] ###computer question
>
>Joe,
>I also burn a CD about once a month.  Spent too many years recovering 
>stuff for folks as it is.  I am going to get an external drive.  That 
>sounds pretty easy.
>Tom
>
>From: "Joe Preston" <Joe at Preston-Company.com>
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>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:11:35 -0400
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>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Door seal-hinges
>Message: 13
>
>Here is the thread about door seal installation. Read below
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu]On 
>Behalf Of Larry Waggoner
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:32 PM
>To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Door seal-hinges
>
>OK guys.We put our seal on today.  Had Bill Pancake on the phone at the 
>time.  He told me and we did it like this. On the FRONT side of the door, 
>put it on with the open side to the rear. In other words, the closed part 
>will be facing forward when  the door is shut.  All the rest of the pieces 
>will be reversed.  In other words, the open part facing out.  Clean the 
>rubber with a cleaner , laquer thinner etc. On the Front side you may want 
>to trim it off a little so it will not extend past the door.  Ours just 
>barely was too wide , so we just left it.  You may have a crack just above 
>the top hinge where the door changes angles.  We did and Bill said some 
>folks cut a piece of wood and taper it and use small metal crews to attach 
>it right next to the instrument panel.  This will close the gap.  We cut a 
>piece of  the thick black door trim that had adhesive on  one side; 
>attached it to the door opening which would be next to that crack when the 
>door is closed.  It worked great. We mitered each section we cut for close 
>fit.  Cut and mitered with a pair of scissors.  Larry
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Holmes"
>To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Door seal-hinges
>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:40:10 -0800 (PST)
>
>Follow Bill's directions.  He says to call him, not email, if you have 
>questions.  Then let us all know what he said!! ;-)
>Tom
>
>dennis biro <ltaav8r at bluemarble.net> wrote:
>ok, what is the correct way to install these, #1 OR #2????? dennis, I also 
>have a set of door rubber to install!!!!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:poobahster at gmail.com>John Rodkey
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Door seal-hinges
>
>Then that would imply the pointy side on the 'outside' (perimeter)
>of the door,  with the following illustration:
>  ^
>< >
>  V
>
>rather than what I suggested, which looks like
>  V
> > <
>  ^
>
>The first one is correct, correct?
>
>John (who is feeling very dense).
>On 11/8/06, Tom Holmes <<mailto:thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net> 
>thomastholmes512 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>John,
>It's pretty logical when you actually look at the door with the seal in 
>your hand.  Squash the seal, starting from the pointy side!  ;-)
>Tom
>
>
>John Rodkey <<mailto:poobahster at gmail.com>poobahster at gmail.com > wrote:
>Thanks, Larry.  I was just trying to minimize the number of calls Bill has 
>to respond to.  He's been so kind with his advice and his time, I didn't 
>want to presume on him, although I have this feeling he wouldn't 
>mind.  The door seal that I currently have is quarter-round, so I didn't
>have a good picture of how the V-shaped seal would be installed.
>
>I think I've got a better idea now. the bottom of the V toward the 
>interior of the door, if that makes sense...  Is that right?  i.e., V on 
>the top
>^ on the bottom, > on the front, where the front of the airplane is to the 
>left, and < on the back, the open end toward the tail?
>
>John
>
>On 11/7/06, Larry Waggoner <<mailto:larrywaggoner at usa.com> 
>larrywaggoner at usa.com> wrote:
>Oh:  Sorry John.  He said to clean the seal with something like alchol, or 
>that tire cleaner stuff they fix auto tires with that cleans the 
>rubber.  This makes the cement adhere much better, he said.  It will have 
>to be cut at each angle change to the door. Each piece will have to be 
>"mitered" so it makes a good fit at the angles.  The front piece.  (The 
>piece mounted on the front of the door will be cemented on with the "V" 
>facing forward.  The rest of the trim will be cemented the other way.  He 
>said due to the width, it would probably need to be trimmed a little. 
>Contact me off site and I will give you Bill's number if you like to 
>verify this info. The area of the direction of the seal on the front is 
>still a little gray to me. My partner and I are going to bring the door 
>home, stretch it out on my pool table and do some engineering before we 
>cut or cement on.  He said any good adhesive would work .  Larry
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Rodkey"
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Door seal-hinges
>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:55:00 -0800
>
>Thanks for that.  I was wondering about the cleaning, cutting trimming & 
>attaching info for the seal...
>
>On 11/6/06, Larry Waggoner <<mailto:larrywaggoner at usa.com> 
>larrywaggoner at usa.com > wrote:
>John, Bill had sent us a new seal for the door and he instructed us on the 
>correct way to install it. (Cleaning seal, cutting, trimming etc.)  He 
>also explained why our door was not exactly straight.  More strength on 
>the left side (no door) naturally, and our little champ with 60 yrs of 
>possible dropping hard on some landings would have taken its tool on the 
>right side.  Door hinges was really not the correct answer to a straight 
>door. Larry
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Rodkey"
>To: <mailto:aeronca at westmont.edu>aeronca at westmont.edu
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] Door seal-hinges
>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:19:15 -0800
>
>And the information he gave you was ...   ???
>
>On 11/5/06, Larry Waggoner 
><<mailto:larrywaggoner at usa.com>larrywaggoner at usa.com > wrote:
>I wrote a note asking for information on a door seal and hinges. I could 
>not get ahold of Bill Pancake.  Forget that request , y,all.
>Bill called me and gave me all I needed.  I wish I had just the ammount of 
>knowledge Bill has in his little finger. Don't wish to embarrass Bill, but 
>but what a great and knowledgeable guy.  If you read this Bill, Thanks a 
>million.  Larry
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>Subject: Re: [f-AA] ###computer question
>Message: 14
>
>Roger,
>
>Same thing here, its plugged into the system only when needed, that way 
>should
>someone hack into the computer (which aint gonna happen) all of my data is 
>still
>secure.
>
>Go to a Fry's electronics if you have one near or try 
>www.pricewatch.com  for the
>cheapest price on the internet.
>
>Tom,
>
>Burning a CD or DVD is a good idea and stick it somewhere other than the 
>house. In
>case the place burns down it saves the important documents and such.
>
>Joe
>
>On 7 Aug 2007 at 11:21, roger anderson wrote:
>
> >
> > I highly recommend an external harddrive. I got a 160 gig for about $69 
> I think. After I back up, I
> > just unplug it so it's not part of the system and subject to lightning 
> strikes, etc.
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Holmes
> > To: aeronca at westmont.edu
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [f-AA] ###computer question
> >
> > Joe, I also burn a CD about once a month. Spent too many years 
> recovering stuff for folks as it
> > is. I am going to get an external drive. That sounds pretty easy.
> > Tom
> >
>
>
>
>
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>From: "E. O. Lake" <eolake at rogers.com>
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>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:46:57 -0400
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>Subject: Re: [f-AA] OSH
>Message: 15
>
>Double thanks, Ian, for remember you already sent it last week.
>Much appreciated!
>Ed
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca-bounces at westmont.edu] On
>Behalf Of Ian Harvie
>Sent: August 7, 2007 5:54 AM
>To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>Subject: Re: [f-AA] OSH
>
>Ed
>
>How about <BES at vip.cybercity.dk>
>
>Ian
>
>E. O. Lake wrote:
> >> ...never realized Bent was there. (Ian)
> >> ...Also Bent Esbensen from Sweden. Bent used to be on the list ... (Jody)
> >
> > Can anyone help me recover Bent's email address as I lost it last year
>when
> > I upgraded my computer? Many thanks!
> >
> > BTW, Jody, Bent, a G-r-e-a-t Dane indeed at six foot six or higher, would
>be
> > mildly surprised to hear he is from Sweden <G>.
> >
> > Ed
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>From: Fred Steadman <fstead at mac.com>
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>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:07:03 -0500
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>Subject: Re: [f-AA] ###computer question
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>I was in Fry's a week ago, they had 512mb memory sticks by the register 
>for $9.99.
>
>
>On Aug 7, 2007, at 12:38 PM, joeaksa at attglobal.net wrote:
>
>>Roger,
>>
>>Same thing here, its plugged into the system only when needed, that way 
>>should
>>someone hack into the computer (which aint gonna happen) all of my data 
>>is still
>>secure.
>>
>>Go to a Fry's electronics if you have one near or try 
>>www.pricewatch.com  for the
>>cheapest price on the internet.
>>
>>Tom,
>>
>>Burning a CD or DVD is a good idea and stick it somewhere other than the 
>>house. In
>>case the place burns down it saves the important documents and such.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>On 7 Aug 2007 at 11:21, roger anderson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I highly recommend an external harddrive. I got a 160 gig for about $69 
>>>I think. After I back up, I
>>>just unplug it so it's not part of the system and subject to lightning 
>>>strikes, etc.
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Tom Holmes
>>>To: aeronca at westmont.edu
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:39 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [f-AA] ###computer question
>>>
>>>Joe, I also burn a CD about once a month. Spent too many years 
>>>recovering stuff for folks as it
>>>is. I am going to get an external drive. That sounds pretty easy.
>>>Tom
>>
>>
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